Good VST MIDI Seq / Drum Grid to use with Reaper

[suleiman]

Any suggestions for a good cheap vst plugin VST MIDI Seq / Drum Grid to Use with Reaper ?

Something that can save multiple patterns as banks, and allow song construction by sequencing these patterns for drums

No sampler/ROMpler , just a MIDI out type deal to drive something like Poise

[Banned]

If you're on OS X, try Numerology 3 Pro.

(And if not, consider a hackint0sh partition. )

[dasombre]

these are great:
http://www.sonicbytes.com/phrazor/phrazor.htm

http://www.sonicbytes.com/era/era.htm

cheers

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by dasombre

these are great:
http://www.sonicbytes.com/phrazor/phrazor.htm

http://www.sonicbytes.com/era/era.htm

cheers

I chked out those before but apparently they arent supported anymore
Do u hav any info on that
N whats a hackintosh partition
Is it worth the hassle ?

[brainwreck]

Piz MIDI Looper. http://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiLooper

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by brainwreck

Piz MIDI Looper. http://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiLooper

Hey thanks i missed this one

The piz is da shiz

[moliere]

FL Studio. loads up as a vsti.

*edit* sorry, you just wanted midi.

[Banned]

Originally Posted by suleiman

N whats a hackintosh partition
Is it worth the hassle ?

= running OS X on a non-Apple system. And yes, it's worth the hassle especially if you can't afford a Mac, since Numerology is worth getting one.

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Banned

= running OS X on a non-Apple system. And yes, it's worth the hassle especially if you can't afford a Mac, since Numerology is worth getting one.

pls provide newbie style step-by-step type link

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by moliere

FL Studio. loads up as a vsti.

*edit* sorry, you just wanted midi.

actually im curious, having used a demo for drums a LOT back in my wave-only-DAW days

the cheapest is FLExpress so im interested in that

please could you answer the following :

- does it only save patterns or also patterns arranged into songs
- does it output midi
- how many muti outs and how many pads/drum sounds possible
- whats the built in sampler like (im hopin there is one in FL express)...whats the deal with random/round robin and velocity layers (how many/controls)

[Banned]

Originally Posted by suleiman

pls provide newbie style step-by-step type link

Here you go.

[Sibben]

Originally Posted by suleiman

actually im curious, having used a demo for drums a LOT back in my wave-only-DAW days

the cheapest is FLExpress so im interested in that

please could you answer the following :

- does it only save patterns or also patterns arranged into songs
- does it output midi
- how many muti outs and how many pads/drum sounds possible
- whats the built in sampler like (im hopin there is one in FL express)...whats the deal with random/round robin and velocity layers (how many/controls)

Excuse me but have you considered REAPER itself. With the pooling in the sequencer and the project bay you got all that functionality nailed down in a very effective manner straight in the host. Or am I missing something here?

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Sibben

Excuse me but have you considered REAPER itself. With the pooling in the sequencer and the project bay you got all that functionality nailed down in a very effective manner straight in the host. Or am I missing something here?

I dont know why

i have done two albums sequencing drums in reaper midi itself

half the songs on one of those albums were actually done with my own "million instances of reasamplomatic" readrum template

somehow it lacks the fun intuitive style of something like fruityloops
the drum grid and a straigthforward sampler type deal like poise are whats missing and detracting from the experience for me

the patterns + arranger style seems the best for drums (For me at least)

@ dasombre : found a copy of the old/discontinued Era on the net

FRIKIN ' AWESOME ! Exactly what i was looking for....works awesome with poise

[moliere]

Originally Posted by suleiman

the cheapest is FLExpress so im interested in that

Don't know anything about that version to be honest

- does it only save patterns or also patterns arranged into songs

both.

- does it output midi

it has a midi out plugin, unsure if this still works in vsti mode (but I assume so)

- how many muti outs and how many pads/drum sounds possible

I think it's 32 outs (16 stereo), and 16 Midi Channels. You can put your samples in FL Studio or keep them outside in reaper in a sampler like poise.

- whats the built in sampler like (im hopin there is one in FL express)...whats the deal with random/round robin and velocity layers (how many/controls)

I would assume there is one in express. The sampler is good and basic, but what you'd probably be more interested in is the 'FPC' plugin that comes with it that is very much like poise in regards to layout and velocity functions (although I think it's actually a bit better) - check out http://www.image-line.com/support/FL..._padlayers.htm

ps. I don't actually use FL Studio much anymore, so can't get very in depth with my answers.

[suleiman]

thanks a lot for clarifying....

i will be considering it in my final choice to buy

btw, whats FLStudio's stability/crashing in Reaper

[moliere]

never had a problem myself, but to be fair, last time I used it heavily was over a year ago. Before I started with reaper (maybe 3 years ago?) I was using it as a vsti in Cubase perfectly fine too.

[deesko]

Originally Posted by suleiman

@ dasombre : found a copy of the old/discontinued Era on the net

FRIKIN ' AWESOME ! Exactly what i was looking for....works awesome with poise

could you please share the link? you found a full version, right?

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by deesko

could you please share the link? you found a full version, right?

it may not be kosher...not sure...where do softwares go when they die...is it legacy free-for-all heaven

anyways search era + sonic bytes download on google...and go to one of the file tube type links...very small download too...less than 2 mbs

if you still cant find, i'll pm a link

[Winfield]

Hi, check www.rhythmrascal.com

I have been exporting to midi and then loading those in reaper with bfd as a vsti

-W

[deesko]

Originally Posted by suleiman

it may not be kosher...not sure...where do softwares go when they die...is it legacy free-for-all heaven

anyways search era + sonic bytes download on google...and go to one of the file tube type links...very small download too...less than 2 mbs

if you still cant find, i'll pm a link

Ok thank you, I think I got it, but it must have some problem, it hogs 100+% of my CPU (?!?!), sometimes around 170%. I can't even touch the GUI, I can only remove the FX to stay safe. Does your version have the same problem?

[kgarello]

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Banned

Here you go.

[Sibben]

Originally Posted by suleiman

I dont know why

i have done two albums sequencing drums in reaper midi itself

half the songs on one of those albums were actually done with my own "million instances of reasamplomatic" readrum template

somehow it lacks the fun intuitive style of something like fruityloops
the drum grid and a straigthforward sampler type deal like poise are whats missing and detracting from the experience for me

the patterns + arranger style seems the best for drums (For me at least)

@ dasombre : found a copy of the old/discontinued Era on the net

FRIKIN ' AWESOME ! Exactly what i was looking for....works awesome with poise

Yeah I get it. The fun factor IS important.

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by deesko

Ok thank you, I think I got it, but it must have some problem, it hogs 100+% of my CPU (?!?!), sometimes around 170%. I can't even touch the GUI, I can only remove the FX to stay safe. Does your version have the same problem?

not at all.......! very cpu freindly and all functions working fine (and what function ! reaper could take a lession or two )

the only buggy behaviour was when i tried using it with a vsti called twitch

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Banned
Here you go.

Originally Posted by kgarello

Thanks!

let me google that for you ....
ahahahahaha

that is an awesome way to insult someone


anyways, seems like too much trouble, i gotta install the OS etc ......thanks

[Banned]

Originally Posted by suleiman

[...] that is an awesome way to insult someone [...]

Unless they *ask* for "newbie style step-by-step type link", then it's entirely appropriate, of course.

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Banned

Unless they *ask* for "newbie style step-by-step type link", then it's entirely appropriate, of course.

ok ok so i was lazy

and yes, for a lazy person hackintosh seesm like too much work...theres a reason i use pc's

the 'apple' selection of freewares is much too short anyways

[suleiman]

i just installed the demo of FL Studio yesterday, and opened as vst in reaper.....it is amazing : like poise, fx processor, synth and a great midi sequencer rolled into one (that FPC is awesome)

today i will experiment more with the multi-outs

only downside i could see was the high CPU overhead

[Guido]

Originally Posted by suleiman

i just installed the demo of FL Studio yesterday, and opened as vst in reaper.....it is amazing : like poise, fx processor, synth and a great midi sequencer rolled into one (that FPC is awesome)

today i will experiment more with the multi-outs

only downside i could see was the high CPU overhead

Hi,

Been following here and one option could be a softsampler and using Reapers project bay with some toolbar programming? That is if im following the concept of pattern based..like the Grandfather of Logic... C-Labs Creator.?

Just a thought..

Guido

oops sry..I missed Sibbens post...nm

[Swamp Ape]

Have you tried Hydrogen? I use it all the time for drums, especially for elaborate parts or when I want the drums to sound human. It's drums-only out of the box but free and easy, and you can export as audio or midi or both.

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Swamp Ape

Have you tried Hydrogen? I use it all the time for drums, especially for elaborate parts or when I want the drums to sound human. It's drums-only out of the box but free and easy, and you can export as audio or midi or both.

used to be a big fan....really great software

two problems :
- No vst (standalone only)
- windows version discontinued

its too much of a hassle to mix down/export each pad/drum seperately and then combine in reaper......and the go back if there is a need to change

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Guido

Hi,

Been following here and one option could be a softsampler and using Reapers project bay with some toolbar programming? That is if im following the concept of pattern based..like the Grandfather of Logic... C-Labs Creator.?

Just a thought..

Guido

oops sry..I missed Sibbens post...nm

could you be more specific ? i did not understand sibben's post either....

give some kind of basic example

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by Sibben

Excuse me but have you considered REAPER itself. With the pooling in the sequencer and the project bay you got all that functionality nailed down in a very effective manner straight in the host. Or am I missing something here?

what does "pooling in the sequencer" mean ? and how is project bay used in this scenario ?

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by suleiman

i just installed the demo of FL Studio yesterday, and opened as vst in reaper.....it is amazing : like poise, fx processor, synth and a great midi sequencer rolled into one (that FPC is awesome)

today i will experiment more with the multi-outs

only downside i could see was the high CPU overhead

i stand corrected : there is one other downside - it crashes some times.....so its definitely out as an option, unless someone here uses FL 10 as a vst in reaper without occasional crashes ?

[Win Conway]

Use Stepchild VST
Has patterns and banks and blah blah, is completely free and patterns drag and drop to Reaper
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stepchild_by_subminimal

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by gpunk_w

Use Stepchild VST
Has patterns and banks and blah blah, is completely free and patterns drag and drop to Reaper
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/stepchild_by_subminimal

i used it a while back and dont remember what issue prevented fuRther use...and serioulsy i had no idea about the drag and drop
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OMG !!!

[CoolColJ]

Geist is a beautiful stand alone drum combo thingie or VST in reaper - great pattern and nonlinear song arrange features- you can drag and drop patterns/sequences directly from Geist as a VST into reaper tracks as well

I honestly wish Reaper had a similar song arrange page...

[suleiman]

Originally Posted by CoolColJ

Geist is a beautiful stand alone drum combo thingie or VST in reaper - great pattern and nonlinear song arrange features- you can drag and drop patterns/sequences directly from Geist as a VST into reaper tracks as well

I honestly wish Reaper had a similar song arrange page...

thansk for the suggestion, i have used the demo that came with CM and it was really good.....but it is overloaded...there is such a thing as too many features plus the price is too high

i have finally settled on reaper midi editor itself....once you define a "shortest path" type workflow, it is pretty intuitive and fast