enter chord ( ctr+alt+shift ) in scale mode

[gentleclockdivider]

Recently discovered the alt+ctrl+shift short cut for entering chords ..
However , I think I may have encontered a bufg
When using the c minor scale ( or any other ), it's imossible to draw a chord starting from d ( D major , second scale degree ) ,

The root note is always either shifted upwards on downwards .
Same for starting a chord on F, the note is either entered on g or e flat .

Also the chord selector doesn't work here ,it always enters a basic maj.triad +octave

[bobobo]

i guess it is how it works

look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSICuAhgNQ
kenny made a video recently about painting chords containg useful tips

[gentleclockdivider]

well , it's that video that made me aware of the chord shortcut ..and thus to the creation of this topic .

Can you enter a 'Ddim' or an 'F min' in the C min scale , with the alt+ctr/+ shift shorcut ?

[EvilDragon]

Key snap only snaps to the notes that are defined in what you selected (either scale or a chord, it cannot be both at the same time). So in C minor scale, you cannot draw a D major, because F# is not a part of C minor. You'd need to select a D major chord for key snap if you wanna do that.

For what you wanna do, it can't be done with painting. You might wanna use this script: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=185358

Really neat tool for quickly inserting all sorts of chords, or even arpeggios (see Chord tab, use Shift+click to insert at edit cursor).

[gentleclockdivider]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Key snap only snaps to the notes that are defined in what you selected (either scale or a chord, it cannot be both at the same time). So in C minor scale, you cannot draw a D major, because F# is not a part of C minor. You'd need to select a D major chord for key snap if you wanna do that.

For what you wanna do, it can't be done with painting. You might wanna use this script: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=185358

Really neat tool for quickly inserting all sorts of chords, or even arpeggios (see Chord tab, use Shift+click to insert at edit cursor).

In my first post I accidentally wrote d min , while I meant d dim (corrected in second post )., which is part of the cminor scale .
D dim ( d,f ,a flat) .can't be created with the chord feature set to c minor scale .
Same for Fmin chord in C min scale , it can't be created with the chord feature.
Just try it out for yourself ,set to cmin scale, hold all modifiers keys and paint an Fmin chord , where you want to put your F root it automatically inserts an Eflat.
All I get are c min chord inversions.
So summary , yes the notes within the scale are all selectable when entered note/per note , but not when using the chord function ( ctr/alt/shift ) ,then only cmin inversions are possible , def something wrong here.
And this goes for all scales , iow the scale just acts as a static chord funcion ( + inversions )

[EvilDragon]

I am not sure I'm following. If you want to enter or paint a chord, you need to set the Key snap to the chord you want to paint. It will not paint arbitrary chords to the SCALE you selected in Key snap!

[vanhaze]

@ OP:

Abit offtopic but maybe you like to check this out ; could be somewhat of an eyeopener for ya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGnOzV_abE0

[gentleclockdivider]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

I am not sure I'm following. If you want to enter or paint a chord, you need to set the Key snap to the chord you want to paint. It will not paint arbitrary chords to the SCALE you selected in Key snap!

I assumed when choosing C and minor from the dropdown menu , that this implies to a C minor scale .
Where cmin , d dim ,e flat major , fmin , g min ,a flat major, b flat major are the respective scale degrees of the Cm scale .
I can choose all notes belonging to that scale while entering them note per note , but not when the chord function is active ( all modifiers keys)
So the droppdown menu is not a scale ?
https://imgur.com/LeE711d
https://imgur.com/a/AL18a

[slipstick]

The scale is a scale. But the chord paint function only paints the root chord of the selected scale. You are then at liberty to move the painted chord up or down to any other note in the scale. That's just how that feature works.

It might be nice to have a function that does what you want...but that isn't what this function does.

Steve

[gentleclockdivider]

Originally Posted by slipstick

But the chord paint function only paints the root chord of the selected scale.

Steve

That's what I thought .
Thanks ..