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12-08-2009, 06:33 AM
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Will REAPER ever incorporate a step sequencer?
I used to be a BIG REAPER fan. I mean big! I left adobe audition, magix, audacity, and ACID alone because of REAPER. Then my daughter introduced me to FL Studio and I was hooked. As a musician FL Studio was right-brained software to me. I mean it inspired me creatively. The way you create music and build songs in FL Studio fit my style better than any other software. Back then I was using Reaper 2.5 or something.
The more I master FL Studio the more I can see it's limitations for the more detailed and delicate matters of music editing and mixing. I've been playing around with the newer versions of REAPER and am really starting to miss it. However, The linear track based composition method really doesn't inspire me much.
I realized it's the step sequencer/play list feature that sets FL STudio apart from any other D.A.W. and was wondering does REAPER plan to incorporate that in any future releases? Cuz I swear if it did, I'd never look back. I totally hate the idea of having to use Multiple DAWs in my studio. I wanna be married to one DAW and thats all.
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12-08-2009, 06:37 AM
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JS: MIDI/sequencer_baby
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12-08-2009, 07:28 AM
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He probably means more like a tracker pattern editor
it'd be cool but I wouldn't hold your breath for it.
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12-08-2009, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fuseburn
JS: MIDI/sequencer_baby
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12-08-2009, 10:15 AM
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Yeah thats what I mean. Just like FL Studio. I've been searching for some step sequencer vst plugins but they look more like piano rolls than what I'm looking for. I want the step sequencer/channel panel AND a pattern arranger. I was looking at Tunafish and it seems to be what I'm looking for. I'm gonna give Whats up's a try too. Just don't know how to install the Js:Midi/sequencer.
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Originally Posted by dub3000
He probably means more like a tracker pattern editor
it'd be cool but I wouldn't hold your breath for it.
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12-08-2009, 10:32 AM
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I may be mistaking but I believe all you need to do is put it in your "plug-ins" folder and insert it like an FX/instrument on your track.
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12-08-2009, 12:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dell
Yeah thats what I mean. Just like FL Studio. I've been searching for some step sequencer vst plugins but they look more like piano rolls than what I'm looking for. I want the step sequencer/channel panel AND a pattern arranger. I was looking at Tunafish and it seems to be what I'm looking for. I'm gonna give Whats up's a try too. Just don't know how to install the Js:Midi/sequencer.
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I have kind of step sequencer with 32 patterns.
the way to sort them is by control (automate) the pattern selector.
It's quite far from what you got used in other DAW, though.
and by the way, you can still use FLS playlist and patterns
to send only MIDI to REAPER.
you can replace all FLS Tracks, with MIDI Tracks,
set in its MIDI device, the VST MIDI device Port,
route each MIDI Track to this Port, set different MIDI channel,
and you're done.
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12-08-2009, 12:55 PM
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Yeah, I can do the entire FL Studio rewire thing. I don't want to bother with that. I'm lazy. I just want to do everything in REAPER or just one DAW. So since I'm not very saavy with extension installs. Could you please tell me how to install Sequencer_Baby?
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Originally Posted by whatsup
I have kind of step sequencer with 32 patterns.
the way to sort them is by control (automate) the pattern selector.
It's quite far from what you got used in other DAW, though.
and by the way, you can still use FLS playlist and patterns
to send only MIDI to REAPER.
you can replace all FLS Tracks, with MIDI Tracks,
set in its MIDI device, the VST MIDI device Port,
route each MIDI Track to this Port, set different MIDI channel,
and you're done.
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12-08-2009, 01:10 PM
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you said you might look after a plugin, so i suggested FLS, as it can act like a plugin.
sequencer baby is not what i was talking about,
but you can find it on the JS folder, in the Add FX dialog.
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12-08-2009, 01:19 PM
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Would be good to have a proper step sequencer in Reaper.
Maybe someone could modify sequencer baby, and make it cool.
I use this as a simple free alternative.
http://users.frii.com/saffleck/stepbeater.html
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12-08-2009, 01:46 PM
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I'm always hoping for a reaper native step sequencer, since as a Mac user I can't seem to find a good sequencer plugin (or standalone for that matter). Sequencer_baby is a step in the right direction (see what i did there) but isn't nearly useable.
Whatsup: "I have kind of step sequencer with 32 patterns." Are you referring to super Arp or something else?
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12-08-2009, 01:54 PM
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I've downloaded the whastupjs bundle. Now what do I do? How do I get this to work? How do I install it? Can this be what I'm looking for in a step sequencer?
I downloaded Tunafish and something else as a step sequencer. now I'm looking for a rewire vst to get it to function in REAPER.
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12-08-2009, 01:58 PM
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If we will have the right tools for mouse editing, which also include mouse configuration.
we could be able to make a step sequncer tasks like this:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...highlight=step
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12-08-2009, 10:23 PM
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I just realized, I'm not really after a step sequencer. I'm after the playlist editor in fl studio. Where you can build a song using blocks. I love that concept because it's so easy to rearrange and entire song that way instead of moving around tracks and slicing and editing. Because when I use FL Studio 90% of the time I'm sending a channel to the piano roll anyway. So my step sequencer just becomes storage for my piano roll data.
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Originally Posted by Reflected
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12-09-2009, 03:09 AM
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sugar bytes thesys, or red planet may help you out.
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12-09-2009, 03:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dell
Yeah, I can do the entire FL Studio rewire thing. I don't want to bother with that. I'm lazy. I just want to do everything in REAPER or just one DAW. So since I'm not very saavy with extension installs. Could you please tell me how to install Sequencer_Baby?
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man, that makes no sense,
set it up once and you're done!
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12-09-2009, 11:10 AM
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Yeah yeah, I know I know. I'm spoiled by FL Studio that makes everything easy for me.
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Originally Posted by strunkdts
man, that makes no sense,
set it up once and you're done!
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05-31-2010, 03:09 AM
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Does anybody know if a good step sequencer (Sonar/Fruity) is going to be implemented in Reaper?Maybe in V.4?Or even sooner?
I think this feature could bring to Reaper world a lot of electronic music-makers!
An anticipation from the developers guys should be very appreciated
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05-31-2010, 03:44 AM
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Nobody knows.
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05-31-2010, 04:14 AM
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1dell: You don't need to install the Sequencer Baby plugin, it comes with Reaper. Open the FX Browser and type in "sequencer" - it'll be one of the two or three items that come up.
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06-01-2010, 07:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dell
I realized it's the step sequencer/play list feature that sets FL STudio apart from any other D.A.W. and was wondering does REAPER plan to incorporate that in any future releases? Cuz I swear if it did, I'd never look back. I totally hate the idea of having to use Multiple DAWs in my studio. I wanna be married to one DAW and thats all.
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(BTW Orion does that too)
Cant help with the step sequencer, but I find the playlist/patern sequencer really easy on Reaper.
THIS MAY HELP YOU.
You just need to select a Midi Item than you click and hold on control and then you "paint" it in the track (ie, left click on the mouse).
When you do control + left click you insert a black item, if you have a selected item it will insert a copy of it.
Now it is a petty that, for easier acess you cant select (eg in the mixer) any/all the item in that track.
You could have somehere near the FX, where you could click something like:
In your Synth1 Track
Item:
--> Synth1 Intro
--> Synth1 Verse
--> Synth Chorus
Then in your EZDrumms track
Item:
--> EZDrumms Intro
--> EZDrumms Verse
--> EZDrumms Chorus
And so on, it would give FL a real contest, yet you still dont need to use playlists.
You almost get Block (REASON) feature.
I think I will do this a separate request.
Anyway, I would love to see a step sequencer, it is just easy to do rhythms that way.
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Last edited by pc999; 08-22-2011 at 04:46 PM.
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06-01-2010, 08:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dell
I just realized, I'm not really after a step sequencer. I'm after the playlist editor in fl studio. Where you can build a song using blocks. I love that concept because it's so easy to rearrange and entire song that way instead of moving around tracks and slicing and editing. Because when I use FL Studio 90% of the time I'm sending a channel to the piano roll anyway. So my step sequencer just becomes storage for my piano roll data.
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have you tried using regions? seems to me that it would do what you want.
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06-01-2010, 02:13 PM
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Reaper is an awsome StepSequencer
I use custom macros and track templates to step sequence and rearange in reaper just follow the link in my signature and search for resequence.
New video added . Rearranging project via folder overview.
(I rearranged a 42 track song using the track select macros)
http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-1685bce6923a
Also have a look at ReSequence Instant pattern sequencing
http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...9-bd60edf958d8
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06-03-2010, 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dell
I just realized, I'm not really after a step sequencer. I'm after the playlist editor in fl studio. Where you can build a song using blocks. I love that concept because it's so easy to rearrange and entire song that way instead of moving around tracks and slicing and editing. Because when I use FL Studio 90% of the time I'm sending a channel to the piano roll anyway. So my step sequencer just becomes storage for my piano roll data.
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It seriously sounds like your after Ableton Live... Building songs using blocks... this is basically what Live is built around... on steroids.
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06-03-2010, 08:43 PM
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reaper seems to already have that non-linear block style recording/performance ability using takes and regions. live clips = reaper takes, live scenes = reaper regions. what i don't see in reaper is a practical way to translate the non-linear loop based performance to a linear sequence.
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06-04-2010, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by run, megalodon
1) As a plugin (Reasequencer)
It could mimic the FL sequencer by allowing drag and drop of samples into each of its tracks, along with volume and pan to be used for quick, rough mixing.
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I wouldnt mind at all if it is like FL Studio, then you just use the pencil tool to paint a given/chosen pattern in the track.
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Last edited by pc999; 08-22-2011 at 04:46 PM.
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12-05-2010, 12:01 PM
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1dell - seems to me that if you like the step sequencer in FL then you should continue using it. Lots of people sequence drums in FL and bounce the audio loops to their DAW of choice. I will typically lay down a basic drum pattern in FL, import audio to reaper, and add any additional bells and whistles.
FL's approach to step sequencing and loading samples is great. The sample browser is excellent as well.
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12-05-2010, 09:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fuseburn
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I had no idea that was in there. I could really see this being useful. Thanks
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12-06-2010, 12:07 AM
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Quick Thought
Hi Everybody. Just a random thought.
I use FL studio for a majority of my production work. However, reaper's handling of audio and some aspects of MIDI are excellent and helps me very much... For instance, multiple CC lanes.
Within reaper, I have tried to work with step sequences/loops using an custom action that zooms into the item, opens the inline editor. The triangle/diamond format of notes helps considerably. I add the respective synths/samplers as in-item take fx. This helps with single instruments. However i find this method cumbersome.
I feel a step sequencer's GUI makes a large difference to the working process.
Since R4 will be having a project bay, adding a step sequencer feature within or associated with the bay wouldn't be too hard to implement, i suppose.
The GUI can be minimal or even a mod of the existing MIDI Editor. We can add instruments and create Beat/MIDI sequences within this sequencer and add it to the bay as a new kind of item called (sequencer item)? with the respective synths/samplers as in-item Take fx.
Selecting the respective sequencer item from the project bay should enable us to paint/place the pattern into any existing track. Double clicking it should enable us to edit the sequence within this Sequencer.
Last edited by pitpat; 12-06-2010 at 02:12 AM.
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12-08-2010, 02:27 AM
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You could just uee fxpansions Guru, or the newer version Geist. I currently sue Guru for all my step sequencing duties and is probs one of the best ones I have ever used. They both operate as VST's and have multi outputs.
I do all my drum sequencing in Guru and route the outputs back into reaper so I can do all my processing, with my other vst's, sonnox etc.
It's cheap too.
Guru
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=4
Geist
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=120&tab=313
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12-17-2013, 09:55 PM
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Sequencer baby is very nice. If reaper had an option to use step sequencing in a similar fashion as the inline midi editor on the timeline/playlist (much like fl studio) that would be awesome.
Having those little boxes trigger a wav file for drums is just a faster work flow rather than copying and pasting or ctrl+mouse dragging. I dont do any live drum recording and a step sequencer would be a truly faster workflow for me.
However Reaper is still awesome regardless.
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12-17-2013, 10:51 PM
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Cockos could devote ALL of their time for years just on this and not have anything nearly as good as FL Studio, so in this case I think it's best just to buy FL Studio (and get free lifetime updates) and just use it as a VSTi in Reaper.
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12-18-2013, 12:01 AM
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I already own fl studio. I unfortunately just dont like having to switch back and forth between the programs windows to see where I need to edit/sequence. Would really like to see the step sequencer implemented into reapers daw.
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12-23-2013, 07:21 PM
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here is a picture.
Would be cool if you could just have a step sequencer editor just like the midi editor in reaper, visual timeline editor as well.
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