Old 11-13-2019, 06:18 PM   #1
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I use Reaverb as a send for all my verbs. I'm having trouble getting the right sound without clipping the send by a significant amount.

Turn up send, sounds fine, fader clips. Turn down send, clipping disappears, so does reverb. What am I missing?
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:55 PM   #2
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Since you're doing it as a send, do you have the Wet slider at 0db, and dry at -inf? By default, the signal I think works out to being your full dry audio (0db dry), plus a bit of the wet signal (-12db wet), so you're amplifying the dry signal on the reverb, and adding a bit of reverb. There could be a reason to want that, but it's not likely that's what you're trying to do.

Outside of that, is your reverb track at an appropriate volume? I usually keep it at 0db, and adjust the send amount. You of course mentioned adjusting the send amount, but if you left the wet/dry sliders as is, then again, you're going to be duplicating your dry signal.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:29 PM   #3
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Since you're doing it as a send, do you have the Wet slider at 0db, and dry at -inf? By default, the signal I think works out to being your full dry audio (0db dry), plus a bit of the wet signal (-12db wet), so you're amplifying the dry signal on the reverb, and adding a bit of reverb. There could be a reason to want that, but it's not likely that's what you're trying to do.

Outside of that, is your reverb track at an appropriate volume? I usually keep it at 0db, and adjust the send amount. You of course mentioned adjusting the send amount, but if you left the wet/dry sliders as is, then again, you're going to be duplicating your dry signal.
Wet is 0db, dry -inf. All sends post-fader. Reverb buss dumps to sub-master buss.

I'm having trouble finding a balance between the send amount and the fader level.

Honestly I'm also having trouble even hearing reverb tail. I'm experimenting with Hopkins EMT IRs.

I've even experimented with the -18db, no src gain options. It's either way too much or I can't hear it.
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:47 AM   #4
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fader clips.
(If I am right supposing that you don't hear any clipping: just for the record and suggesting to use correct terms...)

What do you mean by "fader clips" ?

Within the DAW Floating Point format is used and hence there is no clipping.

Do you mean the meter with the fader shows a red signal meaning zero dB ?

That might be visually unwanted, but it's not harmful in any way.

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(If I am right supposing that you don't hear any clipping: just for the record and suggesting to use correct terms...)

What do you mean by "fader clips" ?

Within the DAW Floating Point format is used and hence there is no clipping.

Do you mean the meter with the fader shows a red signal meaning zero dB ?

That might be visually unwanted, but it's not harmful in any way.

-Michael
Correct. I do not HEAR any clipping.

It's just the peak meter hitting +10db sometimes.

That much apparent clipping makes me uncomfortable, though I've never HEARD anything amiss.
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All that really matters in the end is how loud it is when it gets to that submaster. If it’s not also hitting +10 over there, then it’s being attenuated along the way somewhere. Is that the send level from the verb bus?
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Is the fader on the track you're sending from turned down? Have you tried pre-fader send?
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Is the fader on the track you're sending from turned down? Have you tried pre-fader send?
I have tried turning down the fader. I can keep it from clipping, but the reverb disappears.

I tried pre-fader last night, but all the advice I've read says post-fader for a reverb aux, so I didn't keep it that way long. Stupid internet.

Let's change tacks here and discuss what I'm trying to accomplish. I'm trying for a ca. 1970-era Atlantic Records plate sound. In those days, the plate was tied directly to the desk channels on an echo send. That's my understanding anyway.

Is pre-fader what I want?
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That much apparent clipping makes me uncomfortable, though I've never HEARD anything amiss.
There is no clipping but just red lights . Hence it does not need to make you feel uncomfortable, but it might look ugly.

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There is no clipping but just red lights . Hence it does not need to make you feel uncomfortable, but it might look ugly.

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At the end of my mixing when I ready to render a mix, I often have buses going into the red, however they seldom, if ever go over +4dB or +5dB, usualy 3dB or less.
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