Old 06-19-2017, 10:32 AM   #1
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ABLETON:


Result: Exact duplication of selection


REAPER:


Result:
1. Track-2 volume automation chopped at edge of item. Bye-bye reverb/delay tail.
2. Track-3 volume automation broken up into pieces. Bye-bye reverb/delay tail.
3. Track-4 automation not even copied because there are no items.

...now throw Automation Items into this mess.

This is just the tiniest example of just how flawed the current duplication is in Reaper Again, Reaper destroys Ableton in a million other ways, but this is Such core functionality that is going to drive the new crop away immediately.

I just want Reaper to be the best it can be!!! This would get it 99% of the way there.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:36 AM   #2
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This did not really warrant a new thread...
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:40 AM   #3
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This did not really warrant a new thread...
It warrants more than a new thread haha, but alrighty i'll move it!
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:22 PM   #4
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probably a new forum section too !
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Old 06-23-2017, 06:43 PM   #5
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It's not the same, but you can use a region to copy things intact. That's how I get around this anyway
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:15 PM   #6
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It's not the same, but you can use a region to copy things intact. That's how I get around this anyway
Can you give a more detailed explanation (which actions you use etc.)?

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Old 06-23-2017, 08:42 PM   #7
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ABLETON:


Result: Exact duplication of selection


REAPER:


Result:
1. Track-2 volume automation chopped at edge of item. Bye-bye reverb/delay tail.
Only for the tails of the sounds with long release (in adsR envelope). For example, bells, cymbals (not for closed hihats).
Still, it's quite bad.

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2. Track-3 volume automation broken up into pieces. Bye-bye reverb/delay tail.
Not at all.
If it sends nothing or if it doesn't send that same nothing, there's no difference.
The send volume is not the volume of the FX (AUX) track. These are two separate things.

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3. Track-4 automation not even copied because there are no items.
Oddly, actually you can copy such automation.
OR items (on other track(s)).
But not all this at once.

It looks like REAPER needs a proper marquee tool.
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Old 06-24-2017, 01:39 AM   #8
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To broaden perspectives a little

In Pro Tools all seems to be copied right except for the 'itemless' automation, to copy which there's a dedicated command.
Edit
Actually, later it copied all at once. (What did I do wrong, I don't know.)




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Old 06-24-2017, 10:37 AM   #9
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AugerJ: probably this should be copied to the "original thread:" http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=146652

and thanks for the insight
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AugerJ: probably this should be copied to the "original thread:" http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=146652
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You think, the developers 'listen' more closely to that one?
)

BTW, Logic Pro doesn't include the 'itemless' automation while copying all inside locators either*,
but Logic Pro has a dedicated instrument to select automation
and even can show you the automation points in the Event List
(for more precise editing, I guess).
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* (edit) In Logic Pro: if you use the marquee tool to select
and then drag an 'item' to copy selection,
the whole bunch will be copied,
the 'itemless' automation included.

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Old 06-25-2017, 01:02 AM   #11
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|Yeah - one of the things I found convenient and easy to use in Logic.
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