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Old 12-15-2019, 01:27 PM   #5561
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Ugghhh -- 26 steps, seriously ?

Are you sure that's not 0x01 and 0x41 ?
Correction: 27 steps including 0. Oddly, the transmitted values on the way down differ from those on the way up. Thanks Steiny!

Here's the log of a full knob sweep out of Bome MIDI Translator:

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Going Up:
1: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 00
2: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 05
3: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 0A
4: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 0F
5: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 14
6: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 19
7: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 1E
8: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 23
9: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 28
10: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 2D
11: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 32
12: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 37
13: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 3C
14: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 40
15: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 45
16: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 4A
17: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 4F
18: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 54
19: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 59
20: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 5E
21: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 63
22: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 68
23: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 6D
24: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 72
25: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 77
26: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 7C
27: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 7F

Going Down:
28: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 7A
29: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 75
30: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 70
31: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 6B
32: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 66
33: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 61
34: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 5C
35: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 57
36: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 52
37: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 4D
38: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 48
39: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 43
40: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 40
41: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 3B
42: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 36
43: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 31
44: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 2C
45: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 27
46: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 22
47: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 1D
48: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 18
49: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 13
50: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 0E
51: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 09
52: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 04
53: MIDI IN [Steinberg CMC-QC-1]: B0 4A 00
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Old 12-15-2019, 03:41 PM   #5562
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Correction: 27 steps including 0. Oddly, the transmitted values on the way down differ from those on the way up. Thanks Steiny!
Oldest trick in the book -- did you catch it ?

They doubled the resolution by making it different up and down

Anyway, as I was suggesting before, is there a reason you don't want to use the mode that has the encoder behaviour -- that will get you about 0.1 db resolution.
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:29 PM   #5563
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Anyway, as I was suggesting before, is there a reason you don't want to use the mode that has the encoder behaviour -- that will get you about 0.1 db resolution.
It sounds like I might totally want to use it if I understood it. Are you suggesting I set those particular widgets/knobs up as encoders instead of faders? Will the hardware support that? How would I know that?

Sorry if these are amateur questions. I'm slowly making my way through CSI and zon's (was so happy when I figured out how to map the focused FX yesterday), mostly via editing text files and trial and error (the Learn screen is still very crashy on Windows - totally get it's not done yet).
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Old 12-15-2019, 04:37 PM   #5564
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It sounds like I might totally want to use it if I understood it. Are you suggesting I set those particular widgets/knobs up as encoders instead of faders? Will the hardware support that? How would I know that?
You posted a couple back "This might be a unique use-case. The CMC-QC has a very, very quirky setup. In MIDI mode those knobs transmit 26 steps, in the other mode, those knobs only transmit 2 steps: CC values of 0 and 41."

Do you know how to get to the other mode ?

What kind of output do you see for other controls ?

As far as the hardware supporting encoders -- you already have the answer with 01 and 41 -- that IS an encoder
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:16 PM   #5565
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As far as the hardware supporting encoders -- you already have the answer with 01 and 41 -- that IS an encoder
Ah, that completely clarified it for me [lightbulb just turned on]! I didn't realize that's what I was looking at. This actually simplifies the setup substantially.

And...it seems to work great!


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Do you know how to get to the other mode ?
Yeah, the two modes are easy to switch between.

So from what I've been able to gather, the CMC-QC has two primary modes. MIDI mode, which is MIDI Device "Steinberg CMC-QC-1." You access this by pressing the MIDI button on the unit, which remains lit up as long as you're in this mode. In this mode:

1. The 8 knobs on the device transmit the 27 steps
2. Nothing else is transmitted in this mode (even button presses are transmitted on QC-2)

Then there's mode 2: transmitted via MIDI Device "Steinberg CMC-QC-2." You enter this mode by pressing the Quick Controls button. You know you're in this mode only because the MIDI button is no longer lit up (no other visual feedback). In this mode:

1. 8 Knobs act as encoders (as I've just discovered)
2. All button presses are transmitted with Press and Release actions (there are some 4 function buttons, an I/O Learn Button, EQ button, Shift, Next/Previous Channel Select, Read automation mode, Write automation mode)

So it sounds like I shouldn't bother with CMC-QC-1 at all unless I can find a compelling use for that mode and should focus on the CMC-QC-2 device mode.

Is this syntax correct for an encoder? Seems to work, but figured I'd ask in case I'm missing something.

Code:
Widget UpperRotary1
	Encoder b0 10 7f
	FB_Encoder b0 10 00
WidgetEnd
Thanks again for the help. Having configured these encoders, this unit is working much better now!

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Old 12-16-2019, 07:46 AM   #5566
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So it sounds like I shouldn't bother with CMC-QC-1 at all unless I can find a compelling use for that mode and should focus on the CMC-QC-2 device mode.
CMC-QC-2 definitely sounds like the way to go, particularly since the other mode doesn't transmit anything for the buttons.
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Is this syntax correct for an encoder? Seems to work, but figured I'd ask in case I'm missing something.

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Widget UpperRotary1
	Encoder b0 10 7f
	FB_Encoder b0 10 00
WidgetEnd

You're not missing anything, it looks good to go.

You do realise you are now CSI's official Steinberg CMC developer?
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You do realise you are now CSI's official Steinberg CMC developer?
Thanks for confirming. There was no encoder specific example on the Wiki but it seemed to work using the Fader_7bit example as a guide. Yeah, I'll definitely be sharing the .mst and .zon files. At this point, I'd say they're about 70% of the way there. I'm just trying to find a good use for the 8 knobs (2 rows of 4) outside of FocusedFX mode (I'm open to suggestions).

I also have a Novation Remote Zero SL I may try to map, but I have to find a good preset on the device to use as a starting point since I've made so many custom templates for that thing. Note: what a wonderful controller that original was with it's dual screens and editor software. Even if the controls themselves weren't the best, there's no other Controller Box that does screens+custom templates/editor software on the market that I know of.

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CMC-QC-2 definitely sounds like the way to go, particularly since the other mode doesn't transmit anything for the buttons.
Yeah, I think this is totally the way to go. I'll include a ReadMe when I share the .mst/.zon files to sort of explain to anyone else how to set it up and why this particular approach was chosen.
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I'm just trying to find a good use for the 8 knobs (2 rows of 4) outside of FocusedFX mode (I'm open to suggestions).
How about 8 sends automatically mapped as you move from channel to channel?

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I also have a Novation Remote Zero SL I may try to map, but I have to find a good preset on the device to use as a starting point since I've made so many custom templates for that thing. Note: what a wonderful controller that original was with it's dual screens and editor software. Even if the controls themselves weren't the best, there's no other Controller Box that does screens+custom templates/editor software on the market that I know of.
Definitely a worthy controller If you ask Geoff nicely (and he can find the time) he may be able to code the sys ex module needed to drive the displays

Regarding a template, take a look at the factory supplied defaults and see if they output anything helpful. If not, build your own. I'd recommend copying the MCU.mst as far as possible.
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How about 8 sends automatically mapped as you move from channel to channel?
I'd definitely consider that, but I personally don't think I've used more than 3 or 4 sends on a single track. Are people actually using 8 regularly? I guess if you're doing various headphone sub-mixes you could get up there.

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Regarding a template, take a look at the factory supplied defaults and see if they output anything helpful. If not, build your own. I'd recommend copying the MCU.mst as far as possible.
I may have overwritten all the factory supplied defaults over the years (or at least, I don't trust that I didn't). My plan is to 1) look for the original presets on Novation site, or 2) back up all my existing templates, then maybe do a factory reset.

I just need to better acquaint myself with CSI (I'm hardly scratching the surface of what can be done with zones), maybe wait for the .zon Learn section to be a little less crashy, then I'll get definitely get on it. Thanks again!
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New build is up.

1/8 encoder fix is included.

Also, please take a look the EuCon setup panel and see if it makes any sense ?

It doesn't do anything yet, thoughts and suggestions on layout and overall deign more than welcomed as usual.
Hi Geoff, love the way the new encoder settings work, it's perfect!

I also saw something about PRESS being removed. I haven't changed anything in my zon/mst, but everything still works. Did I miss anything or need to do anything?
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Hi all,
Very nice project! I'm just discovering it...
Out of curiosity, anyone tested an Asparion D400 with this?
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Hi Geoff, love the way the new encoder settings work, it's perfect!
Thank @MixMonkey, he kept driving the improvement

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I also saw something about PRESS being removed. I haven't changed anything in my zon/mst, but everything still works. Did I miss anything or need to do anything?
Yeah, Press was removed, won't affect lots, but some, see next post.
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New build is up.

Yup, was pretty sure stuff got broke in the "no more Press" frenzy

Devices that have latching behaviour -- e.g. Console 1 -- need a special type of Press -- AnyPress -- just do a search and replace in your Console1.mst file.

See the new Console1.mst for examples.
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Very nice project! I'm just discovering it...
Out of curiosity, anyone tested an Asparion D400 with this?
Just had a quick look at the spec, should be easy to build any missing pieces for this, it looks very standard -- smart move on their part.
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How about 8 sends automatically mapped as you move from channel to channel?
Hi MixMonkey, per your advice, I've been trying to give this a shot for about an hour now but getting nowhere. Maybe you or Geoff can help.

So below is the current working state of this very simple .zon file. You'll probably notice you don't see the unit's 8 encoders called "UpperRotary1-4" and "LowerRotary1-4" respectively. So lets say I want to map those 8 encoders to TrackSendVolume, I'm assuming the best thing to do would be to create a new zone, call it "sends" or "Rotary" and define that zone to control the Send Volume. But how? I've tried it a few different ways and have failed at every attempt.

Note: I also want to continue to be able to use those Rotary Encoders when FX are focused like I'm currently able to.

Hoping for some guidance here.

Code:
Zone "Home"
SelectedTrackNavigator
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
	IncludedZones
	Buttons
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

Zone Buttons
SelectedTrackNavigator
	IOLearnButton TrackMute
	EQButton TrackSolo
	PreviousButton Reaper "40286"
	NextButton Reaper "40285"
	ReadButton Reaper "40400"
	WriteButton Reaper "40403"
	F1Button Reaper "40042"
	Shift+F1Button Reaper "41043"
	F2Button Reaper "40043"
	Shift+F2Button Reaper "41042"
	F3Button Play
	Shift+F3Button Reaper "1068"
	F4Button Stop
	Shift+F4Button Record
	ShiftButton Shift
ZoneEnd
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Hi MixMonkey, per your advice, I've been trying to give this a shot for about an hour now but getting nowhere. Maybe you or Geoff can help.

So below is the current working state of this very simple .zon file. You'll probably notice you don't see the unit's 8 encoders called "UpperRotary1-4" and "LowerRotary1-4" respectively. So lets say I want to map those 8 encoders to TrackSendVolume, I'm assuming the best thing to do would be to create a new zone, call it "sends" or "Rotary" and define that zone to control the Send Volume. But how? I've tried it a few different ways and have failed at every attempt.

Note: I also want to continue to be able to use those Rotary Encoders when FX are focused like I'm currently able to.

Hoping for some guidance here.

Code:
Zone "Home"
SelectedTrackNavigator
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
	IncludedZones
	Buttons
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

Zone Buttons
SelectedTrackNavigator
	IOLearnButton TrackMute
	EQButton TrackSolo
	PreviousButton Reaper "40286"
	NextButton Reaper "40285"
	ReadButton Reaper "40400"
	WriteButton Reaper "40403"
	F1Button Reaper "40042"
	Shift+F1Button Reaper "41043"
	F2Button Reaper "40043"
	Shift+F2Button Reaper "41042"
	F3Button Play
	Shift+F3Button Reaper "1068"
	F4Button Stop
	Shift+F4Button Record
	ShiftButton Shift
ZoneEnd
Ok, a couple of things. You don't really need SelectedTrackNavigator in Zone Buttons (although it's probably not causing any harm) and you only need quotations when a name contains spaces, usually an FX name like "VST: ReaEQ (Cockos)" or when a parameter alias contains spaces.

Also, at the present time, if you want to map 8 sends across 8 rotaries, the rotaries have to share a common name ie Rotary1, Rotary2 etc.

So, you can either rename your rotaries from Upper and Lower to just Rotary or just map 4 of them (I think you said you were unlikely to use 8 sends, so maybe that's OK) This is because there isn't a longhand version of the shorthand | used to represent numbers.

Try this and see how you get on:

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Zone Home
SelectedTrackNavigator
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
	IncludedZones
	Buttons
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

Zone Buttons
	IOLearnButton TrackMute
	EQButton TrackSolo
	PreviousButton Reaper 40286
	NextButton Reaper 40285
	ReadButton Reaper 40400
	WriteButton Reaper 40403
	F1Button Reaper 40042
	Shift+F1Button Reaper 41043
	F2Button Reaper 40043
	Shift+F2Button Reaper 41042
	F3Button Play
	Shift+F3Button Reaper 1068
	F4Button Stop
	Shift+F4Button Record
	ShiftButton Shift
ZoneEnd

Zone Send|1-4
	SelectedTrackNavigator
	UpperRotary|  TrackSendVolume
ZoneEnd
To activate the Sends you have a choice. You can either tell CSI to map them automatically when you select a channel, in which case you would check "Auto Map Sends" in the Surface prefs or, if you prefer, you can map a button to ToggleMapSends and that will do the same thing, only manually.

The way CSI works is that Zones can freely overwrite each other. So, whichever method you choose, if after the sends map, you focus an FX, the FX map will overwrite the Sends map on the surface (and vice versa)

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MixMonkey, thanks again for taking the time out to troubleshoot with me. Spoiler alert: the solution is in here and I've got it working.

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Ok, a couple of things. You don't really need SelectedTrackNavigator in Zone Buttons (although it's probably not causing any harm)
The TrackSolo and TrackMute don't work without this. Is that expected? I use the Ch. Select buttons to highlight the track, and I'm repurposing the IO Learn and EQ buttons on the device to act as Solo and Mute for the selected channel.

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and you only need quotations when a name contains spaces, usually an FX name like "VST: ReaEQ (Cockos)" or when a parameter alias contains spaces.
The CSI Learn screen actually added the quotes, not me (honest!). I was playing with that yesterday and I noticed afterwards that it added them. They weren't in my hand edited version which I kept as a backup. Maybe a bug on the screen? Or maybe Geoff's preference?

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Also, at the present time, if you want to map 8 sends across 8 rotaries, the rotaries have to share a common name ie Rotary1, Rotary2 etc.

So, you can either rename your rotaries from Upper and Lower to just Rotary or just map 4 of them...
I think I'm going to try UpperRotary|TrackSendVolume and LowerRotary|TrackSendPan (for now).

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Try this and see how you get on:


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Zone Send|1-4
	SelectedTrackNavigator
	UpperRotary|  TrackSendVolume
ZoneEnd
That looks exactly like what I was doing and failing at last night. Wonder why it didn't work...

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To activate the Sends you have a choice. You can either tell CSI to map them automatically when you select a channel, in which case you would check "Auto Map Sends" in the Surface prefs...
And that's exactly why it was failing last night. I was missing that piece! I keep forgetting the CSI.ini is the third element in all of this. I keep thinking the .zon controls that stuff. It now works!!!

So here's where I finally landed...

Code:
Zone Home
SelectedTrackNavigator
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
	IncludedZones
	Buttons
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

Zone Buttons
SelectedTrackNavigator
	IOLearnButton TrackMute
	EQButton TrackSolo
	PreviousButton Reaper 40286
	NextButton Reaper 40285
	ReadButton Reaper 40400
	WriteButton Reaper 40403
	F1Button Reaper 40042
	Shift+F1Button Reaper 41043
	F2Button Reaper 40043
	Shift+F2Button Reaper 41042
	F3Button Play
	Shift+F3Button Reaper 1068
	F4Button Stop
	Shift+F4Button Record
	ShiftButton Shift
ZoneEnd

Zone Send|1-4
	SelectedTrackNavigator
	OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
	UpperRotary|  TrackSendVolume
	LowerRotary|  TrackSendPan
ZoneEnd
If we're ready to formally share .mst's and .zon files, I'll declare this good enough for now and zip them up for sharing.
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MixMonkey, thanks again for taking the time out to troubleshoot with me. Spoiler alert: the solution is in here and I've got it working.



The TrackSolo and TrackMute don't work without this. Is that expected? I use the Ch. Select buttons to highlight the track, and I'm repurposing the IO Learn and EQ buttons on the device to act as Solo and Mute for the selected channel.



The CSI Learn screen actually added the quotes, not me (honest!). I was playing with that yesterday and I noticed afterwards that it added them. They weren't in my hand edited version which I kept as a backup. Maybe a bug on the screen? Or maybe Geoff's preference?



I think I'm going to try UpperRotary|TrackSendVolume and LowerRotary|TrackSendPan (for now).



That looks exactly like what I was doing and failing at last night. Wonder why it didn't work...



And that's exactly why it was failing last night. I was missing that piece! I keep forgetting the CSI.ini is the third element in all of this. I keep thinking the .zon controls that stuff. It now works!!!

So here's where I finally landed...

Code:
Zone Home
SelectedTrackNavigator
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
	IncludedZones
	Buttons
	IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd

Zone Buttons
SelectedTrackNavigator
	IOLearnButton TrackMute
	EQButton TrackSolo
	PreviousButton Reaper 40286
	NextButton Reaper 40285
	ReadButton Reaper 40400
	WriteButton Reaper 40403
	F1Button Reaper 40042
	Shift+F1Button Reaper 41043
	F2Button Reaper 40043
	Shift+F2Button Reaper 41042
	F3Button Play
	Shift+F3Button Reaper 1068
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If we're ready to formally share .mst's and .zon files, I'll declare this good enough for now and zip them up for sharing.
Great! Glad you got it working. I can see now that the SelectedTrackNavigator would be needed, because, as you say, of the channel related functions TrackMute and TrackSolo. Mine doesn't have any of those, so doesn't need the navigator.

I will confess I'm a stranger to the Learn Window I kind of had my stuff set up before Geoff introduced it and now I feel like the kid that missed the first two weeks of the semester and has no idea what's going on If the Learn window put the quotes in, go with it.

Using the RotaryLower for Pan is cool- are there four buttons you could use for TrackSendMute?
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Since Funkybot mentioned the sharing of files...

the .zon and .mst files for my Nano work nicely now, so I feel daring enough to share them.

I also include a read me file which hopefully clarifies the layout and the commenting of the files.

Thanks for all the help
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Since Funkybot mentioned the sharing of files...

the .zon and .mst files for my Nano work nicely now, so I feel daring enough to share them.

I also include a read me file which hopefully clarifies the layout and the commenting of the files.

Thanks for all the help
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Here's mine in case anyone has this little Steinberg device. If anyone notices an error or has suggestions, please let me know.

Geoff, feel free to edit out the "installation instructions" from the Readme if you opt to include it.

EDIT: see two posts down for attachment.

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Here's mine in case anyone has this little Steinberg device. If anyone notices an error or has suggestions, please let me know.

Geoff, feel free to edit out the "installation instructions" from the Readme if you opt to include it.
Thanks for your effort !!

I have a suggestion -- although we don't have a formal naming convention, we do omit the word button -- so where you have F1Button, most files would have just F1.

Do you mind making those changes for more consistent naming ?
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Thanks for your effort !!

I have a suggestion -- although we don't have a formal naming convention, we do omit the word button -- so where you have F1Button, most files would have just F1.

Do you mind making those changes for more consistent naming ?

Done!

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Question to the crowd: Is there a way to 'hardwire' a widget to an fx param? Specifically one on the master track?

Meaning, it will be active no matter what track or FX is selected or in focus. Basically a dedicated button...per page I guess, right?
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Question to the crowd: Is there a way to 'hardwire' a widget to an fx param? Specifically one on the master track?

Meaning, it will be active no matter what track or FX is selected or in focus. Basically a dedicated button...per page I guess, right?
Not yet, great idea !!

Sort of "Pin" generalized to things other than Tracks...
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You´re welcome!

It´s the least I can do since the controller does improve my workflow very much; just considering the 50+ assignable buttons, fader and 8 rotaries in addition to keyboard and mouse (with a single fader controller you can use all three together) and in my hands it only worked properly/as I need it with CSI

So it´s on me to say thanks for CSI!

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Forgive me for asking and not searching, but this thread is long as fudge at this point

What is a recommended controller that works "mostly" with minimal hack jobs? Essentially, what i would like is a bank of 8 faders (motorized or soft takeover, preferably motorized) with pan knobs and the ability to switch banks of 8. It'd be nice to have a scribble strip and some assignable knobs for controlling plugin parameters.

Sounds like I am looking for the X-Touch Compact... I'll search the forum for that but will still accept any and all answers

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Sounds like I am looking for the X-Touch Compact...
I do have a Compact and it works great in my Live setup (with my own homebrew software in Reaper).

I would not recommend it for controlling the mixing in Reaper (i.e. the CSI stuff), as it only provides a resolution of 7 bits in any mode.

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I do have a Compact and it works great in my Live setup (with my own homebrew software in Reaper).

I would not recommend it for controlling the mixing in Reaper (i.e. the CSI stuff), ass it only provides a resolution of 8 bits in any mode.

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Thanks for responding. Do you have a recommendation to do what I am looking for that works well with Reaper and has more accuracy, if that is the right word to use?
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There are lots of control surface devices including the "big" XTouch that are dedicated for Mixing.

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I'm mapping my Remote Zero SL and getting stuck on banking which is handled by a single CC. So banking up just increases an encoder value by 1, and banking down decreases the same encoder value by 1. How could I map this to BankRight and BankLeft controls in CSI?

Here is what the messages look like:

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BankRight (this is 4 button presses from the minimum value):
1: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
2: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 01
3: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
4: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 02
5: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
6: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 03
7: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
8: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 04

BankLeft looks the same, just in reverse:
1: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
2: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 03
3: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
4: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 02
5: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
6: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 01
7: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
8: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 00
Is there any way to use a single encoder to bank up AND down? If so, can someone show me how or point to an .mst that includes this?

Otherwise, setting up the Remote Zero SL was pretty much a breeze this time around. I'll share the .sysex+.mst+.zon once it's ready.
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I'm mapping my Remote Zero SL and getting stuck on banking which is handled by a single CC. So banking up just increases an encoder value by 1, and banking down decreases the same encoder value by 1. How could I map this to BankRight and BankLeft controls in CSI?

Here is what the messages look like:

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BankRight (this is 4 button presses from the minimum value):
1: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
2: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 01
3: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
4: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 02
5: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
6: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 03
7: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
8: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 04

BankLeft looks the same, just in reverse:
1: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
2: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 03
3: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
4: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 02
5: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
6: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 01
7: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 00 00
8: MIDI IN [ReMOTE ZeRO SL]: B0 20 00
Is there any way to use a single encoder to bank up AND down? If so, can someone show me how or point to an .mst that includes this?

Otherwise, setting up the Remote Zero SL was pretty much a breeze this time around. I'll share the .sysex+.mst+.zon once it's ready.
We usually don't use the term CC around here, it's more for musical MIDI, and as you know, surface control world stole musical MIDI and completely mangled it -- well with the possible exception of said CC's, they kinda mean the same in both worlds -- but that's digression

First you need to get the ReMOTE ZeRO SL to settle down, get dumber, whatever

You do not want any complex surface behaviour like 4 buttons presses in sequence generating different values - you will find yourself fighting CSI constantly, as you are finding out

The simpler the surface is, the better things go -- leave the complexity management to CSI -- that's what it is for

Get the surface to put out something simple like this (your values will likely be different) and define 2 Widgets:

Clockwise
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Widget Up
Press B0 00 01
WidgetEnd
Counterclockwise
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Widget Down
Press B0 00 41
WidgetEnd
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I've been trying to get my BCF2000 to work with CSI. Overall it works fine, but I have some problems with the LEDs on the buttons of the BCF. I think that the problem is that both the BCF2000 and CSI sends information regarding the LED state.

I have a button which mutes a track. If I control the mute button from Reaper, the LED works fine. If I press the physical button though, the mute state changes in Reaper but the LED turns off when I release the button (it doesn't matter if the track is muted or not).

So basically:

1. I press down the button. BCF says that the LED should turn on. CSI says that the LED should turn on/off depending on the mute state.
2. I release the button. BCF says that the LED should turn off.

One fix could be to trigger actions on the release rather than the press, but that seems like a bad solution. Does anyone have any other ideas?

Another possible solution could be if CSI somehow could update the button feedback when it receives the button release message. I don't know if that is possible though?


Edit: I solved it by putting 0.5 after my FB_TwoState in the MST-file. I couldn't find any information about what that does, but found it in one of the example files.

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First you need to get the ReMOTE ZeRO SL to settle down, get dumber, whatever

You do not want any complex surface behaviour like 4 buttons presses in sequence generating different values - you will find yourself fighting CSI constantly, as you are finding out

Get the surface to put out something simple like this (your values will likely be different)...
Thanks Geoff. Unfortunately, the track bank encoder and respective buttons don't show up in the software editor so I'm not sure I can change that behavior. I'll see if I can dig up the manual to double check but they're definitely not options in the interface for the software editor.

An alternative approach would be to modify the template where I take two of the assignable buttons from the unit and use them for track banking rather than using the actual bank buttons on the unit. I'll play around and see if I can figure out a solution that makes sense.
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I ended up working around the banking issue by taking the unused Drum Pads and turning them into traditional buttons. You gotta give them a good tap, but they otherwise work great.

Here's a very basic Remote Zero SL setup. The device is not particularly great for mixing (no automated faders, 7bit resolution), but someone could always take this mapping and easily reassign it for different tasks. That's what I intend on doing anyway. This was just an exercise in getting a template out there that someone who had that unit could use to get up and running with CSI.

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Thanks Geoff. Unfortunately, the track bank encoder and respective buttons don't show up in the software editor so I'm not sure I can change that behavior. I'll see if I can dig up the manual to double check but they're definitely not options in the interface for the software editor.
Ugghh.

Console 1 has some 3 value switches -- I'm sure there are more -- I've been contemplating adding more esoteric Midi Widgets for these weirdos -- likely down the road...
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I ended up working around the banking issue by taking the unused Drum Pads and turning them into traditional buttons. You gotta give them a good tap, but they otherwise work great.

Here's a very basic Remote Zero SL setup. The device is not particularly great for mixing (no automated faders, 7bit resolution), but someone could always take this mapping and easily reassign it for different tasks. That's what I intend on doing anyway. This was just an exercise in getting a template out there that someone who had that unit could use to get up and running with CSI.
Thanks for the effort !!

Will be in next build.
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Hey! I am new to CSI but got my head around the basics - the zones and surfaces. I am trying to make a simple iphone selected track volume automation tool. So in an essence a simple fader that takes up whole screen and 5 buttons to switch the automation mode.

So far I have created toucosc layout, connected to CSI so that I can control fader and set up toggles to switch between automation modes.
But I have some things that I can not seem to figure out:
* is it possible to set that when I switch track that the fader on the iphone updates its value? Also it would be great if it updated the value when going out of automation mode and it jumps to read/trim mode. Actually it looks like when the track volume changes I am receiving something on touchosc but it does not update the fader value.
* is it possible to set up touch with osc fader to work somehow?
* is it possible to set up so that the buttons that switch automation would toggle off when I am switching mode? So in an essence it would only light up the button which corresponds to the selected automation mode? Currently when I change to different mode the current toggle in my touch osc layout stays on. And if I want to go back to it I have to turn it off and then select it again.

I have gone through some zones and layouts from other examples but I did not found what I wanted to do.

EDIT
Figured out that touchosc did not work with receiving and displaying feedback value from fader to touchosc. Tried lemur and it is working.
It also has touch state, but that does not seem to work with TrackTouch parameter.
What does TrackTouch parameter expects? Currently it looks like Lemur is sending 1 when track is touched and 0 when let go. If this can be set up with CSI then touch automation would work as well.

Best regards,

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Is anyone working on a MIDI Fighter Twister .mst/.zon? It's probably the least esoteric MIDI controller I own, and one I'm sure a lot of other Reaper users will also have.

If someone's already doing the MIDI Fighter Twister, I won't bother trying. She seems a complicated beast.

If no one's planning on mapping it, I can volunteer to give it a shot. But before I do, is there a good "DAW-template" or "mode" that people like with it that they'd like me to try to adhere to? For instance, I hear it's Ableton integration is nice. Maybe I look into the details and start with that template?
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Hi, after working with the Nano for a while, I find that toggling focused FX (using FocusedFXNavigator in the FX zones) does not always work.

The FXmenu opens upon pressing the Plugin button, but very often, focusing on the FX does not happen (or the mapping of the widgets to the focused FX does not work?).

If not working, I couldn´t find a reliable way to reconstitute the function; sometimes changing the track works, but not always. Restarting works most of the times, sometimes reloading of CSI does the trick. In bad cases, I have to restart two or three times before FX focus works again. Tested it with various projects, but it´s always the same behaviour.

Any advice why this happens or what to do is appreciated.

I did ReaVerb and ReaVerbate FX zones.
Please find them in the attachment.
I also attach my updated full Icon Nano set, including FX zones.
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