Old 03-13-2019, 08:17 AM   #161
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A software depending on its extensions is an incomplete software, sorry!
YEAH ! Windows is incomplete software because it does not include a DAW !!!

But it's no real problem, as 90 % of the Windows users don't need a DAW, and for the rest there are lots of options.

I understand that there are some that like PT playlists, others don't want/need them. Hence it's perfect that there are options included in an extension.

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Old 03-13-2019, 08:31 AM   #162
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if they are a secondary complement to the software, the software does not depend on them, but if they fill a gap then they become essential and this, in my opinion, is a problem.
Your logic is flawed, as there will always be scripts and extensions filling gaps that some people consider essential.

Cockos consists of two people, working on whatever features/bugs catch their interest. As much noise as we make on here for our favorite features, there's nothing democratic about what Justin and Schwa decide to add.

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I consider the snapshot function as a fundamental function for a DAW...How do you make snapshots without SWS?
Why can't you use SWS?

You complain about missing features and depending on extensions to fill that gap, but why would Cockos spend the time to add it natively when the feature already exists with a simple extension.

Personally, I think there should be links to SWS and ReaPack in the Reaper installer so more people are aware of them.
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Old 03-13-2019, 08:40 AM   #163
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You complain about missing features and depending on extensions to fill that gap, but why would Cockos spend the time to add it natively when the feature already exists with a simple extension.



What about that time in 2017 when SWS development ceased, and many functions of Snapshots became buggy as Reaper was updated?
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:30 AM   #164
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That's a risk with community-based projects, certainly.

Tim was reluctant to let anyone else have permission to publish new versions - IIRC he was worried about quality, bugs slipping through, etc - so even though there were bug fixes and features being submitted they just sat there.

Given the length of SWS' hiatus I do think it would have been appropriate for Cockos to reimplement some of it as things started breaking, particularly functions for the scripting API that were mostly just letting us access things Reaper already does anyway.

The good news, though is that SWS is back up and Tim has a couple of other users working a little more closely to take some of the testing/fixing/publishing workload from him.

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All that aside, for things that aren't broken by being out of date my question stands - why would Cockos add something to Reaper that's already right there?

For example, one popular feature request for Reaper is the ability to work with OMF, since other DAWs do. It's a perfectly reasonable request, but AATranslator already exists for that purpose and Cockos would effectively have to write and maintain their own version of AATranslator within Reaper to do it.

For a company made up of two people, that doesn't strike me as being worth the time.
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That's a risk with community-based projects, certainly.
Not really only those. I seem to remember at least one DAW being abandoned lately.


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Old 03-13-2019, 10:41 AM   #166
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Not really only those. I seem to remember at least one DAW being abandoned lately.


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But is there another product, required to use the DAW, that will start causing bugs in the DAW with future updates, and that could feasibly implement the DAW itself?
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:52 AM   #167
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Hence it's perfect that there are options included in an extension.

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If that's "perfect" why does REAPER include any features (that they then have to support) that could be extensions instead?
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:55 AM   #168
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The takes system in REAPER is good, it's fine, it does most of the same things better than ProTools. Track versions/playlists let you keep alternate versions of a tracks edits hidden as easy to manage sub tracks of the original track. THIS is the benefit. There is no way to do this in REAPER, there are work around but nothing I've seen is that elegant.

Logic X already had it's own take system for years but they recently added a track versions feature that is similar to playlists. That's what I would like to see in REAPER.
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If that's "perfect" why does REAPER include any features (that they then have to support) that could be extensions instead?
It includes those features that the devs esteem to be the most useful for a certain set of groups of users they have in mind.

That set can't be extended at infinitum for such reasons as "bloating" and "limited resources for development". There never will be a widely agreed exact limitation of that set of users, hence the devs need to act with respect to their gut feeling (and personal preference).

And happily the provide means to allow 3rd parties to to extend this set.

Regarding a shoe company it does not make much sense to produce only pairs in a single "perfect" size, even if those with that kind feet claim they are the "pros".

Regarding Reaper there even is an extension that manages finding and installing extensions. In fact for me, the availability of ReaPack is one of the most avanced and beneficial "features" or Reaper's.

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:52 PM   #170
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Track versions/playlists let you keep alternate versions of a tracks edits hidden as easy to manage sub tracks of the original track. THIS is the benefit.
Ah. Now I finally understand the supposedly obvious .

A "save current take cuts and selects as ..." (and of course the appropriate load) dialogue seems like a logical option.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:25 PM   #171
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it's just a mind set

personally, I explain like this

REAPER with no extension = Standard version
REAPER with sws = REAPER Pro
REAPER with sws and reapack = REAPER ultimate...



exactly like other softwares.

the main difference is that you don't have to pay more to use the pro and ultimate version (except a little donation if you want)
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:10 AM   #172
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For example, one popular feature request for Reaper is the ability to work with OMF, since other DAWs do. It's a perfectly reasonable request, but AATranslator already exists for that purpose and Cockos would effectively have to write and maintain their own version of AATranslator within Reaper to do it.

For a company made up of two people, that doesn't strike me as being worth the time.
For those who may be interested - OMF isn't blessed boxed and buried, we continually get confronted with some bizarre out of the blue OMF which requires us to throw resources at it in order to deal with it - and no I wouldn't wish that on any other developer
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Old 03-30-2019, 09:57 AM   #173
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Hello all Reaper fans,

I have a custom action that in two clicks makes a very playlist like environment.

Heres the custom action chain and after I'll explain how to use it:

""SWS: Select unmuted items on selected track(s)
Take: Explode takes of items across tracks
Item properties: Mute
Track: Insert new track
Xenakios/SWS: Rename selected tracks...
Track: Insert new track""

I named it "Playlist" and made it my "Control + P" action.

After that it's just to make sure you selected (only) the track with all of the takes,
press your "Control + P" shortcut and it will explode into new channels muted with two empty channels on top.

There will come up a box asking you to name the top one and I recommend giving a name that has to to with the playlist like "Voice Playlist Folder" or "Drums, takes folder" etc.

Then the next movement is to select all the new exploded tracks and make the top one you just named into a folder for all the others.

Also make a shortcut of "Toggle mute" on an easy accessible key and then you can just split the already muted tracks where you want and unmute and listen as you wish.

It might sound complicated but it's really easy and fast, if you get the hang of it you just press "control + P" and make a playlist and go on to edit in a way that "takes" do not come close to offer.

When finished with the editing you just take the parts and put on the other free track and that is your new comped track, so you can mute and hide all the others.

Let me know what you think of this greetings to all in the Reaper community!!
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