Old 06-02-2013, 03:52 PM   #41
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Yep, all good now, but will have to listen later, off to work now.

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Old 06-02-2013, 04:03 PM   #42
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Ok, here's my offering.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yp2squu4d...Mix%201%20.mp3

Sorry guys I don't know how to embed the dropbox file, I cn only point to the download!!
Change www to dl for any file dropbox link to make it public

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6yp2squu4dx...Mix%201%20.mp3

Seems to be a server issue atm though.
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:04 PM   #43
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I know Soundcloud wasn't part of the deal, but it's just so easy for quick little things like this:

http://soundcloud.com/andy-hamm/stop-messin-with-me

I used the following plugs:
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Spent about 45 minutes on this, if I was to do it right I would have taken the time to molt out the drum tracks, walk away and listen with fresh ears and all that sort of fun stuff.
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:06 PM   #44
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OK, Here Is Mine.

It is my Fix Mix, just the levels were adjusted. They are hitting around -17.5 LUFS.

(I have decided that trying to get it to stay around -15 just took too much of the life out of it, so if this "disqualify" me so be it! LOL)

Rea EQ, ReaComp, and ReaVerb.

Now to go listen to the Demo Mix from the site & all the other ones already posted.

The .rpp file is attached.

This should turn out to be a lot of fun AND educational!
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:14 PM   #45
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SSL Comp
Fab Filter EQ
some old free Reverb plug I'd be too embarrassed to mention
No "mastering".

I agree about the good recordings. So I let them fight it out in a buss with gentle Comp. It's probably a bit too "kicky".

Here is mine at -15.3db

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ibsgzpthyj...StopMessin.mp3

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Change www to dl for any file dropbox link to make it public

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6yp2squu4dx...Mix%201%20.mp3

Seems to be a server issue atm though.
Thanks man! Changed it in my original post.
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I couldn't wait till I got some sleep. Still awake at 9:30am after being up all night!! Here's my second mix. I'm much happier with this one (for now anyway!). I've updated my post above with the new link too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0i8z2if3s3..._2_09-18am.mp3
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Sidenote, did anyone else find most of the tracks had some nastiness around 3kHz?
Big time on my system....
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Dropbox doesn't seem to let you listen unless you download.
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Well, I have 13 tracks (including mine) and it seems like some are not keeping the mixes at -15db....have we abandoned that idea?
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It's going to take me a while to get through all these but.....
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Just listening to this now Jnif and I really like your mix. Love the lead guitar sound too. Nice verb.
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Hmmm, I think my mix might be too quiet. I'll upload a new one tomorrow.
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Just an idea here....

Hamish, what do you reckon about adding all the mix links to your first post in a list so we can get to them all easily and download them? Perhaps you could update that first post as more people add mixes too.
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"The average loudness of the mp3 file 'preview' on 'Mixing Secrets' website is about -15 dB. Please keep all submissions within +/- 1 dB"
you simply mean RMS-Peak right?
I do mean RMS:Peak ratio averaging to -15 dB across the whole song, which you can measure with those meters.

However that is not what klangfreund LUFSMeter displays exactly, it measures rms below 0 dBFS, which might be correct, but the scary thing is he recommends that if your rms is too high to simply lower your master fader by the corresponding amount. This way you could end up with a song with some squashed RMS:Peak with peaks at however much under 0 dBFS.

When I say the preview mix is -15.3 dBLUFS it does also have an average RMS:Peak ratio of that amount, because it peaks at 0 dBFS.

I'm loading all the mp3s into a project, running the LUFS over them and then compensating where necessary. Some of these mixes have less dynamic range than the preview mix, and it's just not a fair comparison if you let them peak at 0 dBFS.

The way to bring them in at the same dynamic range is to adjust your compression and volume automation, with peaks to 0 dBFS.

That is the natural dynamic of the song anyway, so it shouldn't be hard.

@smurf, @bladerunner, @Argle - it just works better if people mix to that equal loudness, please try to stick to it. Once the squashed mixes are compensated they just sound flat and dull.

@Dannii - good idea, but I don't trust myself to copy name/plugs/link accurately and then there is the dead links and download issues. I'll let everyone manage their own versions and links, updating as they like.

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....I'm loading all the mp3s into a project, running the LUFS over them and then compensating where necessary. Some of these mixes have less dynamic range than the preview mix, and it's just not a fair comparison if you let them peak at 0 dBFS....
Maybe it would be better if we uploaded flac files of our final mixes. That way, once you've added them to your project and compensated using the LUFS values (good idea BTW), you'd be able to avoid the losses of mp3 files doing another conversion process.
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....@Dannii - good idea, but I don't trust myself to copy name/plugs/link accurately and then there is the dead links and download issues. I'll let everyone manage their own versions and links, updating as they like.
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Well, I have 13 tracks (including mine) and it seems like some are not keeping the mixes at -15db....have we abandoned that idea?
Hi man, I'm just listening to your mix, it's great but you need to remake your mp3 because you have your PEAKS at -15 dB.

The idea was peak at 0dB, rms -15 dB.

Mix sound fine, really nice pno behind the vox drums, guitar all good. [edit - BTW, once I brought your peaks up to 0 dBFS your mix had and Integrated LUFS of -17 making it the most dynamic of all so far - putting yourself in line for the Bob Katz audiophile mix award if there was such a thing. Seriously though Mike Senior says that Pearl mics may be doing a formal contest based on this multitrack, so think about developing it.]

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Maybe it would be better if we uploaded flac files of our final mixes. That way, once you've added them to your project and compensated using the LUFS values (good idea BTW), you'd be able to avoid the losses of mp3 files doing another conversion process.
I get you, thanks for the support. The mp3s are mostly ok though because no one is putting up anything overcompressed there aren't too many 'overs'.

I agree flac is technically better, I was going with the status quo there on mp3 and getting as many on board as possible.

Still haven't listened to your mixes yet! I'd be stoked if you did add some Hammond to one. But another day, sleep is more important!!
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Dropbox doesn't seem to let you listen unless you download.
I've been able to listen and download all the dropbox mixes so far.

The only mix I haven't been able to downoad is your soundcloud one, can you add the download button please?
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Hi man, I'm just listening to your mix, it's great but you need to remake your mp3 because you have your PEAKS at -15 dB.

The idea was peak at 0dB, rms -15 dB.
Well, now don't I look the FOOL! LOL

I will correct that in a few, jezz, what a dunce....

And thanks for the kind words! I gave up on squashing mixes a long time ago, and I have been trying to keep them as "natural & raw" as I get them unless the client requests something different....I like music to breathe...

PS - My post above has been updated. Once again Thanks for the heads-up & kind words hamish!
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I've been able to listen and download all the dropbox mixes so far.

The only mix I haven't been able to downoad is your soundcloud one, can you add the download button please?
Done - what I meant regarding the dropbox and one or two of the other files is that you HAD to download them, that is they didn't just play the file for you, you have to dl it to your hd and then play it. I'm on a tablet half the time, so just playing them in place instead of downloading the mp3's is better for me (which is why I use Soundcloud).
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SSL Comp
Fab Filter EQ
some old free Reverb plug I'd be too embarrassed to mention
No "mastering".

I agree about the good recordings. So I let them fight it out in a buss with gentle Comp. It's probably a bit too "kicky".

Here is mine at -15.3db

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ibsgzpthyj...StopMessin.mp3
Udated: I discovered my overheads were Mono and I pulled the Master a notch.
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Here's a first attempt. I didn't listen to other entries yet, so I have no idea how it compares. I thought the preview mix sounded overly aggresive and overcompressed. Mine is more laid-back:

https://www.box.com/s/15m4wwmapwpkx9sk0kdl

I ended up using different plugins from those listed in the desert island thread. I used FabFilter Pro-Q, Cytomic The Glue and 2C Audio Breeze.
Loving it. Classic sounding mix with piano panned left. Similar vocal approach to me (in your face, hear that spit fly) brings out the Joe Cocker. Your last 'stop messing with meeahhh', perfect I guess you automated volume for that.
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Ok, here's my offering.

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https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6yp2squu4dx...Mix%201%20.mp3

MDynamicEQ
UBK-1 comp
LX480 reverb.

Nicely recorded tracks! ;-)

Plenty of acoustic, Real quality mix, great timbres and dynamics control
transparent reverbs. Maybe the acoustic is just a little too high.

Thanks for getting the loudness level right!!

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Just watched the recording video. Highly recommended for those that havent seen it yet. They make getting great sounding recordings look easy.
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SSL Comp
Fab Filter EQ
some old free Reverb plug I'd be too embarrassed to mention
No "mastering".

I agree about the good recordings. So I let them fight it out in a buss with gentle Comp. It's probably a bit too "kicky".

Here is mine at -15.3db

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ibsgzpthyj...StopMessin.mp3

Err, I wouldn't call that 'gentle' really. There are some pretty nasty waveshaping artifacts happening there, so I'd check that out again (compare to other mixes).

It is interesting as a more lo-fi heaving type of thing, it does have some added vibe, especially the bass. Is that SSL compressor the Sony Oxford plugin? Can you oversample it, but I think more likely you have to back off your ratio.
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I couldn't wait till I got some sleep. Still awake at 9:30am after being up all night!! Here's my second mix. I'm much happier with this one (for now anyway!). I've updated my post above with the new link too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0i8z2if3s3..._2_09-18am.mp3
Hi Dannii, that's a classy mix, you have got a big 'wall of sound' going there, especially by putting the vocal deep into the thick of it. Your reverbs are beaut, that's Valhalla right?

You are one of 3 or so who have brought up the bass sustain, and even with the success of your mix I'm not convinced that is the best way to do it. I may have to put that one down to taste.
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Here is my mix:
http://minus.com/lwgbqP16nhS2J

Mixed in Ableton Live 9 using Ableton EQ Eight, Compressor, and Reverb.

jnif
Very tasteful version, I think this bass track is just right, wherever you have HPd it. You have the sustain lifted, but not overpowering, more melodic. Maybe it's just my monitoring.

Again thanks for giving us the right loudness.
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Here's my mix.

I used the following plugins:
Reverb (TAL Reverb II)
EQ (FabFilter ProQ)
Compressor (ReaComp)
I thought it sounded great as is, so I wasn't too aggressive
I haven't been able to get your file yet. It's 7.6 MB, but it always stops halfway (I get a 4 MB file). You're right it is too quiet, also the vocals don't sound clear, lacking tops, you may want to revist the EQ. Be a little bit more aggressive?

EDIT: Ok, got your file.

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I know Soundcloud wasn't part of the deal, but it's just so easy for quick little things like this:

http://soundcloud.com/andy-hamm/stop-messin-with-me

I used the following plugs:
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  • ReaXcomp
  • ReaVerberate

Spent about 45 minutes on this, if I was to do it right I would have taken the time to molt out the drum tracks, walk away and listen with fresh ears and all that sort of fun stuff.
Great, excellent mix for a quicky. When you say ReaVerberate you mean you made (how many) algorithmic patches in this plug? Wow I had no idea.

Now your bass is exactly what I'm talking about. This is how I think it should go. It provides a great rhythmic drive to the arrangement when you emphasize the attack and not the sustain. On the negatives the vocal seems too far back, doesn't cut through, maybe too bass heavy and dark overall with not enough upper midrange, there is some masking in there that stops it being a great mix.

I'm not joking about ReaVerberate, please share if that's ok. How do you make a decent reverb patch in that thing?
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Voxengo Voxformer and VRoom.
*changed file - twas too loud.
https://www.box.com/s/ymphyf9iof7rnfcm0uq3

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Thanks for the fun... I really enjoyed the limitations.

ReaEQ , ReaComp , Magnus Ambience

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...hMe-Save1b.mp3

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Great, excellent mix for a quicky. When you say ReaVerberate you mean you made (how many) algorithmic patches in this plug? Wow I had no idea.

Now your bass is exactly what I'm talking about. This is how I think it should go. It provides a great rhythmic drive to the arrangement when you emphasize the attack and not the sustain. On the negatives the vocal seems too far back, doesn't cut through, maybe too bass heavy and dark overall with not enough upper midrange, there is some masking in there that stops it being a great mix.

I'm not joking about ReaVerberate, please share if that's ok. How do you make a decent reverb patch in that thing?
It's actually call ReVerbAte, the stock rev that comes with Reaper. It's pretty much the only rev I use... It has that old REV7 / SPX-90 sound that I'm so used to from mixing live all these years I guess.

Again, probably a result of mixing live, my studio mixes are done with my monitors on the louder side, so I tend to pull out that 2.5-3.15Khz region because that region tends to sound like a jet engine to me at higher volume levels.

I'll post my REAPER file in the morning, as it has the rev settings in it.
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It's going to take me a while to get through all these but.....

Just listening to this now Jnif and I really like your mix. Love the lead guitar sound too. Nice verb.
I'm glad you like it. Thanks.

I used two parallel chains for the main EGuitar reverb. One with a shorter decay and dryer reverb. Another with 100% wet, long decay, wide reverb sidechain gated with the dry signal so that the long reverb will pass through only when dry signal is quiet.
The main EGuitar track is panned slightly left, and the EGuitar Ambience track with bit of rever is panned a bit more right.

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Very tasteful version, I think this bass track is just right, wherever you have HPd it. You have the sustain lifted, but not overpowering, more melodic. Maybe it's just my monitoring.

Again thanks for giving us the right loudness.
Here is my Bass FX chain.

Wild EQing + some compression + sidechain compression with Kick track.

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http://www.audiorecordingandservices.com/3_plug_mix.mp3

I used the UAD 33609 compressor because I generally like its sound and it's extremely versatile, ReaEQ (which I use all the time) and several instances Valhalla Vintage Verb used mostly in subtle ways.

No automation at this point. I just wanted to get a good ensemble sound.

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Just an interloper following progress, very interesting would have a go however at the download my mouse would not give me save as! So no files
Hey for me so far
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p.s. - my file was to loud - changed it in the above post too.
https://www.box.com/s/ymphyf9iof7rnfcm0uq3
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Just an interloper following progress, very interesting would have a go however at the download my mouse would not give me save as! So no files
Hey for me so far
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Plenty of acoustic, Real quality mix, great timbres and dynamics control
transparent reverbs. Maybe the acoustic is just a little too high.

Thanks for getting the loudness level right!!
Thanks hamish! You're right about the acoustic. I'll submit another mix where the acoustic is more cohesive.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:47 AM   #80
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Hey henge, I'll look forward to that.

As good as some of you guys and the lady have mixed this my new favourite mix (by 'bmullen') is up over on 'Discussion Zone'

http://discussion.cambridge-mt.com/s...d.php?tid=1685

Check it out for inspiration! Dunno how many plugs he used, but it's his ideas with the electric lead that take it to another level.

@Visco - ha ha, I'm glad someone went the big wet roomy lofi version, fun! Works nice at the climax 2:55 - 2:58.

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