Go Back   Cockos Incorporated Forums > REAPER Forums > REAPER Color Themes and Icon Sets

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-09-2020, 06:14 AM   #1
joe2
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 394
Default Sends/FX params in TCP: populate horizontally instead of vertically?

If you've got multiple sends, FX parameters, etc. shown in the TCP, they seem to always populate "vertically first".

i.e. the columns fill before the rows. Example just using sends (red arrows show order in which slots are populated):



(Please ignore the rubbish broken WIP theme used for screenshots here, thx)

My question: is there any way to tell these slots to populate row-first?

i.e. so you'd end up with something like this instead (mock-up):



Having searched the forums, WALTER docs, etc,. I think the answer is currently "no". If anyone can confirm that, I'll get ready to post this as an FR instead.

(PS, I'm aware that if the track height is small enough to force the slots into one row, they will of course populate this row as expected):



---

The reason I'm interested in this:

I tend to keep tracks small (low height), but wide-ish, and I like to squeeze as much information/UI control into this space as possible. So I've got more width than height to play with.

I guess column-first takes after a tradition set out by other DAWs? It feels easier for me to parse at a glance when tracks are taller (creating more room for slots):



But like I say, I'm rarely in this view - and wouldn't want column-first vs row-first automatically changing as I zoomed tracks, of course! (Though some people might.. maybe it could be a setting/WALTER-able thing?)

PPS: if "rows-first" was an option, this final screenshot would look different: there would be three columns instead of two, because the slots would attempt to fill the width before the height. Hope that makes sense!
joe2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2020, 02:07 PM   #2
Luster
Human being with feelings
 
Luster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 642
Default

I mentioned this already in a pre-release thread:
We read from left to write, line after line. The current vertical listing is absolutely counter-intuitive. I believe it was "copied" from the vertical listing in the MCP but there it makes sense because of the waterfall-signal flow reflected.


So yeah, +1!
Luster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2020, 05:46 AM   #3
joe2
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 394
Default

Thanks for the heads up! Leave a link to that comment of yours here if you can dig it out.

I don't use the MCP at all, but I see how it makes sense there.

Vertical for signal flow also makes sense in the TCP, but left->right (or indeed, RTL!) feels intuitive too.

You might for example want FX inserts vertical in the TCP (after all, that reflects the FX signal chain for the track), but sends LTR.

At the moment, sends and FX can be controlled somewhat independently by WALTER, but the implementation seems incomplete. Ideally, it would all be themable separately, so that any combination of top-to-bottom, bottom-to-top, left-to-right, right-to-left was possible.

See some relevant quotes from another thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Win Conway View Post
It should be split in to the following really..
set tcp.sendlist
set tcp.fxlist
set tcp.fxparm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Win Conway View Post
The ideal solution for this at some point in the future would be the ability to split the sends into the same as the volume/pan/width controls etc, so...
set tcp.send.label
set tcp.send.label.color
set tcp.send.label.font
set tcp.send.label.margin
set tcp.send
set tcp.send.fadermode
joe2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2021, 09:17 AM   #4
nappies
Human being with feelings
 
nappies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 302
Default

Is this FR exist?
nappies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2021, 12:56 PM   #5
Luster
Human being with feelings
 
Luster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 642
Default

Is this a +1?
Luster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 07:11 AM   #6
ArKaDaTa
Human being with feelings
 
ArKaDaTa's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: France
Posts: 62
Default

Would definitely make more sense horizontally on the TCP
ArKaDaTa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 01:50 AM   #7
Vagalume
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 604
Default

I have been also trying to get it done but I have not been able to... maybe WT could confirm whether it can be done or not.
Vagalume is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 02:21 AM   #8
Luster
Human being with feelings
 
Luster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 642
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nappies View Post
Is this FR exist?

I just realized that this thread is in the wrong subforum. Of course this should be in the FR sub.
Luster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 08:02 AM   #9
nappies
Human being with feelings
 
nappies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luster View Post
I just realized that this thread is in the wrong subforum. Of course this should be in the FR sub.
That is why I asked)
nappies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 11:29 AM   #10
Luster
Human being with feelings
 
Luster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 642
Default

Yeah. I subscribed to the thread and saw the new posts in my control panel. From there you oversee very easy in which forum the thread belongs...
Luster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 11:36 AM   #11
DarkStar
Human being with feelings
 
DarkStar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 19,677
Default

"Filling Columns first" has been around for ages;

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=37761
__________________
DarkStar ... interesting, if true. . . . Inspired by ...
DarkStar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2021, 12:32 PM   #12
Vagalume
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 604
Default

My goodness ... since 2009 ...
Vagalume is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2022, 01:57 PM   #13
joe2
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 394
Default

Ye gods.

Make 👏🏻 (at least parts of?) 👏🏻 REAPER 👏🏻 open 👏🏻 source 👏🏻 now!

I would literally file a janky PR today.
joe2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.