If an item is LOCKED why the F does Reaper split it

[Tim Rideout]

Hi all,

Here's an annoyance: I am doing episodic TV and sometimes I want to SPLIT all my midi tracks in an arrangement. Normally I would select ALL - but have the Video and dialogue tracks LOCKED so they are unffected.

But when I do this, Reaper splits them ANYWAY. grr

I can't lock the track, because I need access to the mute controls. I can't use the track mixer for this, too much real estate taken up.

What am I not getting?

[typhonj]

Hi

All you have to do is;
Create an empty track and put the two tracks (video and dialogue) as child of this newly created track then go to main menu 'View' -> 'Track Manager' and un-thick the two tracks from the TCP, this way, they'll be hidden but the Mute button and other controls on the Parent track will still be available.
Of course, doing so will not affect the video and will still be visible from de video window thus even if it's audio is muted.

[Tim Rideout]

This would work - but I have multiple tracks I need to mute and un-mute (Dialogue, SFX, Temp Music), so I need them easily accessible. I guess the work-around will have to be using the Mixer Window (which I don't at this stage of the process). But still - I don't understand Reaper LOCK behavior.

Is there a way to define it so that locked items are NOT split?

[SoulOne82]

Don´t know what´s the problem here...you just select the items you want to split. Unselected items won´t get split.



You can then quicken the process by using some custom actions including things like "select all MIDI items", "group items", etc.

[Tim Rideout]

The problem is that I have 100+ tracks and I want to Select All and split the items of the entire arrangement. But when I select ALL, my SFX, Dialogue, Video A and Video B tracks are selected. If I hide the tracks, I have to return to the Track Manager to unhide them if I want to mute or unmute reference tracks during monitoring.

I appreciate the work-arounds - but nobody seems to know how to address the real question: if an item is *locked*, why is Reaper performing an operation on it?

Anyone?

[karbomusic]

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

I appreciate the work-arounds - but nobody seems to know how to address the real question: if an item is *locked*, why is Reaper performing an operation on it?

Anyone?

Best I can tell is that it is currently by design and that locking is for moving etc. for whatever reason. A quick FYI that you can mute from the track manager directly so if you are just muting/unmuting a refernece track, no need to unhide it.

[Tim Rideout]

The work-around I have come up with for now is by assigning a TRACK MUTE Snapshot to a keystroke. I can easily mute and un-mute my dialogue track only, and keep it hidden in my Track Arrange view.

Still, if anyone has any thoughts on how to disable locked items from being Split, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

[karbomusic]

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

Still, if anyone has any thoughts on how to disable locked items from being Split, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Don't think it is possible. Of course you can lock "all items" which does prevent splitting but that won't help here. I think your closest bet is doing the muting and track locking from track manager and not using hide/unhide to mute et al. Or your existing key stroke thingy or a custom action/script that always deselects your reference items and selects all other items. Out of curiosity, how come you can't just mute it in track manager directly without showing it?

[spk77]

Would this work?


Split all items at edit cursor (ignore locked items).lua

local r = reaper

function msg(m)
  r.ShowConsoleMsg(tostring(m) .. "\n")
end

function get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  local t = {}
  for i=1, num_items do
    local item = r.GetMediaItem(0, i-1)
    if item ~= nil and reaper.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "C_LOCK") == 0.0 then
      local length = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_LENGTH")
      local pos = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_POSITION")
      if pos < cursor_pos and pos+length > cursor_pos then
        t[#t+1] = item
      end
    end
  end
  return t
end

function split(item_table, split_pos)
  r.Undo_BeginBlock()
  for i=1, #item_table do
    local item = item_table[i] 
    r.SplitMediaItem(item, split_pos)
  end
  r.UpdateArrange()
  r.Undo_EndBlock("Split items at edit cursor", -1)
end


function main()
  local num_items = r.CountMediaItems(0)
  if num_items == 0 then return end
  local cursor_pos = r.GetCursorPosition()
  local t = get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  if #t == 0 then return end
  split(t, cursor_pos)
end   

r.defer(main)

(Note: This script is included in ReaPack - I just added the blue text)

[spk77]

Split all MIDI items at edit cursor (ignore locked items).lua

• splits all MIDI items at edit cursor (if active take is a MIDI take)
• locked items are ignored
• audio takes are ignored

local r = reaper

function msg(m)
  r.ShowConsoleMsg(tostring(m) .. "\n")
end

function get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  local t = {}
  for i=1, num_items do
    local item = r.GetMediaItem(0, i-1)
    if item ~= nil then
      local take = r.GetActiveTake(item)
      if take ~= nil and r.TakeIsMIDI(take) and r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "C_LOCK") == 0.0 then
        local length = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_LENGTH")
        local pos = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_POSITION")
        if pos < cursor_pos and pos+length > cursor_pos then
          t[#t+1] = item
        end
      end
    end
  end
  return t
end

function split(item_table, split_pos)
  r.Undo_BeginBlock()
  for i=1, #item_table do
    local item = item_table[i] 
    r.SplitMediaItem(item, split_pos)
  end
  r.UpdateArrange()
  r.Undo_EndBlock("Split all MIDI items at edit cursor (ignore locked items)", -1)
end


function main()
  local num_items = r.CountMediaItems(0)
  if num_items == 0 then return end
  local cursor_pos = r.GetCursorPosition()
  local t = get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  if #t == 0 then return end
  split(t, cursor_pos)
end   

r.defer(main)

[Tim Rideout]

Originally Posted by karbomusic

Don't think it is possible. Of course you can lock "all items" which does prevent splitting but that won't help here. I think your closest bet is doing the muting and track locking from track manager and not using hide/unhide to mute et al. Or your existing key stroke thingy or a custom action/script that always deselects your reference items and selects all other items. Out of curiosity, how come you can't just mute it in track manager directly without showing it?

I can mute/hide it in the Track Manager, but again, it becomes a question of workflow efficiency. If I'm constantly having to manage items on the timeline that *should be locked, and that aren't, it's just really counter-intuitive is all. If the track is showing, I can't split without affecting these items. If the track is hidden, I can't mute without navigating to the tab, scrolling to the track, hitting the mute button, then returning to my arrangement. If the tracks were unaffected, it would be two keystrokes and done...

[Tim Rideout]

ok - YOU sir, are a genius. This is exactly the behavior that should be available - at least selectable in the options.

However, like most DAWs, I have Midi AND audio tracks - how would I have this behavior, and *include the audio tracks?

Thank you +100000000

Originally Posted by spk77

Split all MIDI items at edit cursor (ignore locked items).lua

• splits all MIDI items at edit cursor (if active take is a MIDI take)
• locked items are ignored
• audio takes are ignored

local r = reaper

function msg(m)
  r.ShowConsoleMsg(tostring(m) .. "\n")
end

function get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  local t = {}
  for i=1, num_items do
    local item = r.GetMediaItem(0, i-1)
    if item ~= nil then
      local take = r.GetActiveTake(item)
      if take ~= nil and r.TakeIsMIDI(take) and r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "C_LOCK") == 0.0 then
        local length = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_LENGTH")
        local pos = r.GetMediaItemInfo_Value(item, "D_POSITION")
        if pos < cursor_pos and pos+length > cursor_pos then
          t[#t+1] = item
        end
      end
    end
  end
  return t
end

function split(item_table, split_pos)
  r.Undo_BeginBlock()
  for i=1, #item_table do
    local item = item_table[i] 
    r.SplitMediaItem(item, split_pos)
  end
  r.UpdateArrange()
  r.Undo_EndBlock("Split all MIDI items at edit cursor (ignore locked items)", -1)
end


function main()
  local num_items = r.CountMediaItems(0)
  if num_items == 0 then return end
  local cursor_pos = r.GetCursorPosition()
  local t = get_items_under_edit_cursor(cursor_pos, num_items)
  if #t == 0 then return end
  split(t, cursor_pos)
end   

r.defer(main)

[karbomusic]

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

I can mute/hide it in the Track Manager, but again, it becomes a question of workflow efficiency. If I'm constantly having to manage items on the timeline that *should be locked, and that aren't, it's just really counter-intuitive is all. If the track is showing, I can't split without affecting these items. If the track is hidden, I can't mute without navigating to the tab, scrolling to the track, hitting the mute button, then returning to my arrangement. If the tracks were unaffected, it would be two keystrokes and done...

I get it thanks, I was just working off the earlier statement about having to unhide the track to mute it in post 5; figured if you were doing all that in track manager in order to unhide it, might as well click mute in track manager. Glad you got it sorted.

[spk77]

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

ok - YOU sir, are a genius. This is exactly the behavior that should be available - at least selectable in the options.

However, like most DAWs, I have Midi AND audio tracks - how would I have this behavior, and *include the audio tracks?

Thank you +100000000

Thanks!

The script in post#9 splits all audio and MIDI items at edit cursor if they are not locked.

The script in post#10 splits all non-locked MIDI items at edit cursor.

[spk77]

I added these scripts to the ReaPack:
spk77_Split all non-locked MIDI items at edit cursor.lua
spk77_Split all non-locked audio items at edit cursor.lua

This one is updated:
spk77_Split all items at edit cursor.lua

• now locked items are ignored

[karbomusic]

Originally Posted by spk77

I added these scripts to the ReaPack:
spk77_Split all non-locked MIDI items at edit cursor.lua
spk77_Split all non-locked audio items at edit cursor.lua

This one is updated:
spk77_Split all items at edit cursor.lua

• now locked items are ignored

As always great work! Your contributions across the board are outstanding.

[Tim Rideout]

ReaPack is brilliant - I just updated my packages and boom - there were your scripts!

Unfortunately, when I RUN the scripts, they don't work! Is there something special I need to install to run a LUA script?

Originally Posted by spk77

I added these scripts to the ReaPack:
spk77_Split all non-locked MIDI items at edit cursor.lua
spk77_Split all non-locked audio items at edit cursor.lua

This one is updated:
spk77_Split all items at edit cursor.lua

• now locked items are ignored

[spk77]

Originally Posted by karbomusic

As always great work! Your contributions across the board are outstanding.

Thanks karbomusic

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

ReaPack is brilliant - I just updated my packages and boom - there were your scripts!

Unfortunately, when I RUN the scripts, they don't work! Is there something special I need to install to run a LUA script?

Here's a gif - this is how they should work (REAPER 5 is needed to run Lua scripts - nothing else):


(Win8.1, REAPER v5.22pre9/x64)

[Tim Rideout]

Yes, I am running them correctly, from the ACTIONS menu - but nothing happens when I run your LUA scripts...

[spk77]

Originally Posted by Tim Rideout

Yes, I am running them correctly, from the ACTIONS menu - but nothing happens when I run your LUA scripts...

I'm clueless...could someone else test these scripts, please?

[me2beats]

Originally Posted by spk77

could someone else test these scripts, please?

It's all right
and wow

local r = reaper

I think I'll borrow it

[Tim Rideout]

What do you mean when you say "it's all right" ? Have you tested the script on your machine?

Thanks

[typhonj]

Tested the audio for now and it works;

[srdmusic]

is there a way to modify one of these scripts to Split all "SELECTED" non-locked MIDI items at edit Cursor?

I don't want to split everything in my sequence usually.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by spk77

I added these scripts to the ReaPack:
spk77_Split all non-locked MIDI items at edit cursor.lua
spk77_Split all non-locked audio items at edit cursor.lua

This one is updated:
spk77_Split all items at edit cursor.lua

• now locked items are ignored

Is. there a way to modify your scripts to Split all "SELECTED" non-locked MIDI items at edit Cursor?

[cfillion]

Here you go: Split selected non-locked items at edit cursor. It's a rewritten version of spk77's original script.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by cfillion

Here you go: Split selected non-locked items at edit cursor. It's a rewritten version of spk77's original script.

Thank you sooooo much cfillion. Is there a link or should I download from a repository?

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by cfillion

Here you go: Split selected non-locked items at edit cursor. It's a rewritten version of spk77's original script.

Holy hell dude!!!! You're the man.

[cfillion]

Originally Posted by srdmusic

Is there a link or should I download from a repository?

If you have ReaPack you can install that script straight from it. If not you can always download the script manually and load it in your Action List: link to the raw file on ReaTeam Scripts.

[vdubreeze]

It's great to have these scripts contributed by users. But I still don't get why they're even necessary. What is locking an item if it's not locking it from one of the main reasons for locking it? I don't understand the philosophy behind the lock function not preventing an item from being split.

[_Stevie_]

I would also regard this as a bug. For example, trimming does not work when the item is locked (expected behaviour). It does not make sense, that it's possible to split locked items.

[jonboper]

+1, inventive solutions for a problem that shouldn't exist.

[karbomusic]

If it hasn't been done, someone should create a feature request for this - I surely wouldn't mind a "total item lock" ability myself. It isn't a true bug though since in order to be a bug, it would have to have been intended to not split when the code was written by the devs, and I don't think that is the case - hence an FR being a good idea.

[xpander]

On a quick search the only feature request I found about this was here:
Prevent Splits, Moves, etc On Lock
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=129590

All 5 of us who have voted for it so far...

[karbomusic]

Originally Posted by xpander

All 5 of us who have voted for it so far...

Make that 6.

[_Stevie_]

voted, 7

[jonboper]

10 when I voted...but I do think this is a bug...or at least an undesirable feature. Locking a track should prevent splitting.

[ivansc]

Voted - at the very least its an undesirable default behaviour.

[Susan G]

Just voted. Up to 13.

-Susan

[dug dog]

14