[WT Imperial] OT and meta discussions thread

[bluzkat]

Originally Posted by Banned

I *really* don't think WT is talking about getting his *theme* right there, nor soliciting workflow-related comments. I think it is about the general atmosphere on this forum. But only the good man himself knows, of course.

I believe WT was talking about the atmosphere of the forum as well. This is not the first time he has mentioned this and I firmly believe his concerns have merit.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by Banned

I *really* don't think WT is talking about getting his *theme* right there, nor soliciting workflow-related comments. I think it is about the general atmosphere on this forum. But only the good man himself knows, of course.

I think you're correct. I mis-read it.

[achild]

I realize it probably doesn't help much, but I read somewhere that if what you're doing doesn't generate controversy, you're not really going anywhere innovational (That is SO spelled right, spell checker!), or it's not going to have much effect on anyone or change anything. If everyone says "hey that's stupid" then there probably are fundamental problems with it. If everyone is like "hey that's awesome!" then it's probably so comfortable-zone oriented, nothing new or better is being done. But when it turns into this.....

Now due to a number of restrictions, I won't even be able to try the theme, but that doesn't bother me as there are other themes I enjoy and am very comfortable with. So this comment isn't because I'm biased towards it.

But as much as the majority of this thread stinks (most especially to White Tie), in many ways this whole fiasco confirms that this could have more of an effect on the DAW world than just "oh cool, as a Reaper user I'll try this neat new theme for a while". I mean it all points to the possibility that this could truly be big!

(and not just for the monitor business)

[Teksonik]

On second thought maybe this thread should have remained locked. Let's just forget about Imperial until and if White Tie delivers a working Public Beta or Release......

[vStyler]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

So true!!!

It's a major "Reaper" improvement.

No, it isn't....I'd like to have it too.. but....Until it's released, it's just a pipe dream...until I see it in use, to me, it's also just a mockup.

This time next year, it's likely folks will still be here fawning over it like kids over candy.

Good lord, let it be for a while...Are you musicians or art collectors?

Make some music.

[Syd Masters]

Originally Posted by vStyler

No, it isn't....I'd like to have it too.. but....Until it's released, it's just a pipe dream...until I see it in use, to me, it's also just a mockup.

This time next year, it's likely folks will still be here fawning over it like kids over candy.

Good lord, let it be for a while...Are you musicians or art collectors?

Make some music.

Well, he did release just the mixer portion (fully functional) some time ago when he first exposed it. So, no, not just a mock-up.

WT has been quite vocal in the past in his opinions on mock-ups for REAPER themes, so I really don't think he would do what you seem to be suggesting.

Why does this (theme) seem to bother you so much? It's not like everyone is literally lined up around the block, doing nothing, until this is released. People are excited about it because it kicks ass. As well they should be.

Hey, it's the REAPER community! Join us.

[vStyler]

Doesn't really bother me, and I am part of the community, spent over a month making a theme, I realize its a lot of work.

When i see it realized, it will be a great update to Reaper, until then, to me, just sorta feels.. like some kind of urban legend or episode of Punk'd

Any kind of realistic ETA would be appreciated by most of us....I'm sure.

A small part of me def. feels it will never be released.

I'm actually just as excited to critique it, being a designer myself as I am in using it in Reaper.

just throwing out my opinion, that's all. Hope that's ok

[CaptainHook]

Originally Posted by Syd Masters

Well, he did release just the mixer portion (fully functional) some time ago when he first exposed it. So, no, not just a mock-up.

That, and WT has mentioned a few times there are beta testers. So there are people using this.

I agree with Kenny that this looks like a major improvement. But people do need to remember that WT has said this theme will NOT work with smaller screens/resolution. So not everyone will get to use it, and i know i've tried plenty of themes i thought looked great and would become my main theme but in practice, didn't work out.

I'm excited for the release though, just as many others are. It's hard to deny this really sets the bar for any DAW theme. I just hope walter gets some love at some point so things like "white plain windows and old win xp style elements" as Viente points out can be addressed by themers.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by vStyler

No, it isn't....I'd like to have it too.. but....Until it's released, it's just a pipe dream...until I see it in use, to me, it's also just a mockup.

This time next year, it's likely folks will still be here fawning over it like kids over candy.

Good lord, let it be for a while...Are you musicians or art collectors?

Make some music.

Bad day??

I can tell you that it is anything but a pipe dream.

But you probably don't want to hear that.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by vStyler

Doesn't really bother me

Really?

I have trouble believing that throwing out such a negative post would not come from something.

Maybe I'm just naive. Maybe people just naturally don't see things from others point of view.

Maybe toxicity is similar to love in some bizarro universe that I'm not privy to.

Where sharing it is really the best thing to do for mankind.

Where it just feels good to spew negative opinions.

Maybe you see a puppy lost in the rain and you toss him into a dumpster. Or kick a kitten so hard it leaves a mark on your boot.

I don't know man. Maybe I'm missing that gene. I feel better when I support people and try to make them feel better.

Maybe I'm broken.

[vStyler]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Really?

I have trouble believing that throwing out such a negative post would not come from something.

Maybe I'm just naive. Maybe people just naturally don't see things from others point of view.

Maybe toxicity is similar to love in some bizarro universe that I'm not privy to.

Where sharing it is really the best thing to do for mankind.

Where it just feels good to spew negative opinions.

Maybe you see a puppy lost in the rain and you toss him into a dumpster. Or kick a kitten so hard it leaves a mark on your boot.

I don't know man. Maybe I'm missing that gene. I feel better when I support people and try to make them feel better.

Maybe I'm broken.

I'm not being un-supportive, I support the theme, I already said I liked it, and would like to be able to use it, critique it.. and that It feels like it is never going to become available. It wasn't THAT negative.. just how I, me, myself, feels at this particular time regarding this subject.

Chill with the insults would ya?

Not every comment is going to be positive, nor should it be.. It's not kindergarten.

See, I hate this crap, as soon as you speak your mind on some forums in a less than enthusiastic manner you get pounced on like your some kind of asshole and insulted for it.

I don't kick kittens or throw dogs in dumpsters...Jesus.

So who's the asshole here?

[Syd Masters]

Originally Posted by vStyler

It wasn't THAT negative..

Eh.. it DID kind of feel like you were pissing on the thread [given that you've clearly stated your opinion previously on the matter].

That's just MY opinion.

[vStyler]

yeah, ok, then let the flaming begin..

Of cooourse....I was MUCH more insulting than telling someone they probably kick small animals.

Oh but I guess I haven't made a Reaper tutorial.. I don't get special treatment..

Rolls eyes**

[Syd Masters]

Originally Posted by vStyler

yeah, ok, then let the flaming begin..

Of cooourse....I was MUCH more insulting than telling someone they probably kick small animals.

Oh but I guess I haven't made a Reaper tutorial.. I don't get special treatment..

Rolls eyes**

Well, that wasn't negative at all?

[vStyler]

Said all i wanted to for now..

peace.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by vStyler

I don't kick kittens or throw dogs in dumpsters...Jesus.

I said "maybe" you do.

I wasn't quite sure.

Peace.

[lxm]

Originally Posted by vStyler

yeah, ok, then let the flaming begin..

Of cooourse....I was MUCH more insulting than telling someone they probably kick small animals.

Oh but I guess I haven't made a Reaper tutorial.. I don't get special treatment..

Rolls eyes**

Ermmm he should. Bloody things make me work 3423423423X faster and help me create better music. Take your advice and get back to that. Really glad to see this thread open again.

[vStyler]

Lol.... ok Kenny..

Then I take it all back...:P

Now make some new videos, I'd prefer a southern accent next time tho.

.. or.. perhaps.. French? Yeah, I'd like that.

Rock on people. (with the themes you already have)

[Syd Masters]

Originally Posted by vStyler

Lol.... ok Kenny..

Then I take it all back...:P

Now make some new videos, I'd prefer a southern accent next time tho.

.. or.. perhaps.. French? Yeah, I'd like that.

Rock on people. (with the themes you already have)

Skee - doosh...

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by vStyler

Lol.... ok Kenny..

Then I take it all back...:P

Awesome. Me too.

Originally Posted by vStyler

Now make some new videos, I'd prefer a southern accent next time tho.

I need to work on that a bit more.

Originally Posted by vStyler

Rock on people. (with the themes you already have)

- Some good ones coming too.

[vStyler]

Thanks for seeing the humor in that.

Peace

(Sincerely)

[eepyikes]

Dude, somebody close this thread. All you're doing is pissing off the man. Go make some music. Meanwhile, dig Analog API theme, because it is seriously badass. So those of you worried about people not adopting Reaper because of aesthetics, go post some shots of that awesome theme. Meanwhile, let the man do his thing. No wine before its time and all that shit.

[vStyler]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Not the kitten, please.

Yes, please leave that to me :P

Anyway.. fair enough WT, for my part, I think im just, like a few folks here, a little frustrated, and impatient.

perhaps more for me , being a musician, DAW connoisseur and UI designer... all combined.

Forgive any transgressions of mine if you would.

[SoulOne82]

Maybe call it WT Imp(atient)erial then?

[hwhalen]

Originally Posted by vStyler

Indeed... Recorded in Live, Mixed down in Reaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcPPojvUb-4

Hey vStyler, any time you want to start a thread about how you tied all this together, plz do. At youtube you apologized for the video quality, looked good to me.

Sorry to interrupt the theme thread everyone.

[vStyler]

hwhalen - Shoot me a PM regarding what it is your curious about my friend.

I'll be happy to explain.

[chip mcdonald]

Originally Posted by Banned

I do find it a bit odd that you mention a social network like Facebook. I mean, you chose to become 'friends' with every single one of them yourself?

I reluctantly participate. It's something of a necessary evil for me, for couple of reasons. For a couple of years I was in a very popular local/regional group. Something happened Christmas of I think 2005; suddenly, everyone was on Fb. In turn, if the person you spoke to casually after a show wants to be your friend on Fb and you don't reciprocate, for some people it's a massive offense.

I like it/despise it; and I would say that my "updates" are a bit... less run of the mill than most, so hopefully I'm not contributing to the din of Farmville/social politics/clothes washing sagas. At the same time I like seeing what friends are doing when it is atypical, and I also have to say it's interesting when you find out someone you know manages to convert their meatspace personality into writing.

The right wing propaganda thing is hopelessly depressing, and the "brushes with sheer idiocy" as well. But I think in the long view a) it's not going away and b) it is a good social-anthropological record.

A forum doesn't really work well when people would routinely block most other users, but aren't social networks designed to work that way?

People are blocking people now based on the superfluous posts I think more than political.

In my circle, it's about 98% "of a political persuasion that favors distortion and reactionary viewpoints". Maybe 1 in 2 posts by them are "of a pseudo-politcal nature". It's not practical for me to block 700 people when I may possibly be doing business with them, or they may know someone who wants to do business with me. So is the life of living in the heart of the South East.

still find that I have relatively interesting feeds on my Facebook or Twitter accounts, compared to the average noise/signal ratio on the open

Well, that's the thing: I do have a lot of interesting friends, all over the world, and it's sort of a byproduct of being strange I suppose. That's entertaining. But my town is very, very messed up politically and socially, and that bleeds into just about everything and is hard to escape from. As the song goes, "Augusta Georgia is just no place to be".


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[chip mcdonald]

(long, non-linear post for the benefit of lessening WT agitation)

[Thalamus]

This is the most bizarre thread ever

[mim]

Originally Posted by Thalamus

This is the most bizarre thread ever

Awesome thread, should be the default !

[ctelkes]

Originally Posted by mim

Awesome thread, should be the default !

lol

Never thought I'd reply on this forum just to say that...

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by vStyler

...and it probably will.

Rolls eyes*

I'm assuming that you mean that this will be the longest running thread in Reaper history because we're all drooling to get our hands on this thing and when we do, we're going to sing it's (and White Tie's) praise until Cockos begs us to stop.

And for that, I whole-heartily agree with you.

Thanks for the positive pro-theming vibe.

You're an inspiration to us all.

[vStyler]

Nope, that's not what I meant...lol








..but it's c.. c.. c.. ....close.. K.. k.. k.. Ken!



(contextually...brilliant, movie reference ^^)

Kenny, I have to ask, do you ever secretly get the urge to make Ableton tut's?

[White Tie]

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Originally Posted by White Tie

vStyler, there's a reason themers generally stay out of each other's threads

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[nickmoritz]

Originally Posted by White Tie

vStyler, there's a reason themers generally stay out of each other's threads

What reason?

[White Tie]

Come on man, you know this stuff. You've happily got on with your work, drawn around you the people who like what you do, and proceeded in a rewarding and productive manner. Would you not agree that's a great way to do things?

To my knowledge we have NEVER had a dust-up between one themer and another on this forum. EVER. That's been a really nice cornerstone of what has been an extremely productive community, which is a remarkable thing given that we have here creative people ranging from world class professional designers to users posting their first efforts with Gimp.

Many years ago I got a PM from someone who was dismayed that I hadn't commented on their theme, but had appeared to comment on everyone else's. I explained that they shouldn't care what I think, I didn't explain that I knew they had copied the work from someone else. Why start that argument, eh? But it got me thinking that perhaps I should restrain myself to occasional supportive comments where I saw fit. I see a lot of work here that is excellent, some that is highly derivative and ill-considered, and some that is, bluntly, crap. All of it ....ALL of it ...is liked by someone. So its ALL GOOD, and I think it would seriously inappropriate for me to be critical or condescending about anyone's work. Someone posts a theme, the people who like that theme support it, and a circle forms of creator and users. Nice! Who cares if anyone thinks its crap? That's certainly of no use to those in that circle.

Look at the sorry state of this thread. Arguments, arguments, arguments. What has been gained? Why are we going down this road? What does it achieve? Not only do I personally want peace and harmony here, as a moderator its what I'm supposed to promote. We are falling into a trap where themers are only willing in private to speak about how the tone of the forum is dissuading them from continuing. I believe it is appropriate for me to speak up, but as you can see from this thread that doesn't always go well.

All I have done is to comment, as politely as I can, when anyone's post is contrary to the smooth running of my work or the community itself. Folks comment on my work, and occasionally (putting the shoe on the other foot), I comment on how they did it ...observe the results. The double-standard is ludicrous. Its in everyone's interest to separate the work, which is of benefit to the people who like it, from the arguments, which are of benefit to no one.

[vStyler]

.... actually, I just wanted to have a bit of fun with Kenny and use "c.. c.. c.. ....close.. K.. k.. k.. Ken"

anyways, I too, am looking forward to this theme.

If I had a clue how to Walter I would have set my mind to something much more worthy than Rado Vox a long time ago.

Certainly no argument from me about the theme, I love it.

Fact is, I am not going to seriously consider using, and learning Reaper more in depth than I know it now, until it is released.

whistles and strolls on*.

[vStyler]

Perhaps you took it the wrong way Kenny, it actually was intended as a compliment.

What I meant was, after seeing this theme, layout, etc..I feel like I no longer want to even open Reaper until I can use it.

Not even my own skin, that I spent a month on.

Wasn't a jab in anyway... more an ultimate compliment my friend.

[Kenny Gioia]

Then my sincere apologies.

I will delete that part from my post.

All the best.

Can't wait for this theme.

[vStyler]

Accepted.

..and Ditto.