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Old 08-21-2008, 10:55 AM   #1
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Default Reaper sucks with freeware!

old synthedit synths don't work or play choppy, synthedit arps wont shut the hell up! my favorite synth augur crashes reaper! synthmaker synths stutter like they have tourettes. reaper may be a cubase killer when it come to high quality commercial plugins, but REAPER SUCKS WITH FREEWARE!!!!
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:57 AM   #2
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old synthedit synths don't work or play choppy, synthedit arps wont shut the hell up! my favorite synth augur crashes reaper! synthmaker synths stutter like they have tourettes. reaper may be a cubase killer when it come to high quality commercial plugins, but REAPER SUCKS WITH FREEWARE!!!!
strange, i use freeware in reaper all the time.

moronic rants arent the way to get things done around here, btw.
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:58 AM   #3
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strange, i use freeware in reaper all the time.
same here.
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chicken muffin has a crappy computer. that may have something to do with it.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:03 AM   #5
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Another freeware user here.

I have had a few problems before, but 9.99 times out of ten it was that the plugins were buggy to begin with.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:05 AM   #6
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chicken muffin has a crappy computer. that may have something to do with it.

lol. no i don't.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:06 AM   #7
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lol. no i don't.
oh, you upgraded from your emachine pc?

congrats!!!!
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:08 AM   #8
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Another freeware user here.

I have had a few problems before, but 9.99 times out of ten it was that the plugins were buggy to begin with.

im aware of this. but i want to use plugins that i want to use. i don't want reaper telling me which plugins i can use. no, not all freeware sucks in reaper, but it might as well be since the ones that are buggy, are the ones i like.

if its the plugins fault, then does the plugin work perfectly well in other host like fl studio... exactly.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:13 AM   #9
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oh, you upgraded from your emachine pc?

congrats!!!!
yes i got a sick ass rig hp running a quad 2.66 ghz 3 gigs of ram with nividea 512 mb card. theres no reason why i should have to deal with buggy plugins when they work fine in other hosts. its not the plugins fault. its reapers fault. sure, thees tons of freeware i can use, but why does reaper act to funky when it comes to certain plugs?
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im aware of this. but i want to use plugins that i want to use. i don't want reaper telling me which plugins i can use. no, not all freeware sucks in reaper, but it might as well be since the ones that are buggy, are the ones i like.

if its the plugins fault, then does the plugin work perfectly well in other host like fl studio... exactly.
Have to say that I am not certain here - I don't use any other hosts anymore, really. Do you have issues in other hosts? It sounds like you don't.

You should post this in the Bug Report forum, along with exactly the issues you're experiencing in as much detail as possible.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:17 AM   #11
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if its the plugins fault, then does the plugin work perfectly well in other host like fl studio... exactly.
Different software behaves differently - doesn't mean Reaper is at fault because your plugs work in FL, it just means whatever the reason for the problem is in Reaper the same thing doesn't exist in FL.

I had some plugs that crashed SX3 that work fine in Reaper - pick the bones out of that.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:21 AM   #12
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old synthedit synths don't work or play choppy, synthedit arps wont shut the hell up! my favorite synth augur crashes reaper! synthmaker synths stutter like they have tourettes. reaper may be a cubase killer when it come to high quality commercial plugins, but REAPER SUCKS WITH FREEWARE!!!!
I've had no problems with synthedit based plugs. I've even done a song or two using multiple instances of Freeamp3, which you're not supposed to be able to do, no matter what host.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:22 AM   #13
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alright. ill give it another shot...
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:24 AM   #14
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I've had no problems with synthedit based plugs. I've even done a song or two using multiple instances of Freeamp3, which you're not supposed to be able to do, no matter what host.
im sure i could i could get your synthedit arp to not stop...
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:25 AM   #15
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I seem to remember that there can be problems using multiple instances of synthedit VSTi's with multicore processors. And you can get around it by adjusting your settings in Reaper preferences. I'll try to find out more info later, unless someone else posts, but I have to go now.

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Old 08-21-2008, 11:26 AM   #16
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im sure i could i could get your synthedit arp to not stop...
I was playing around with the ARP just a couple weeks ago, and again, no problem at all. I run ASIO at 1ms latency and Reaper purrs like a kitten, no matter what I throw at it.
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I seem to remember that there can be problems using multiple instances of synthedit VSTi's with multicore processors. And you can get around it by adjusting your settings in Reaper preferences. I'll try to find out more info later, unless someone else posts, but I have to go now.

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Old 08-21-2008, 11:32 AM   #18
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I was playing around with the ARP just a couple weeks ago, and again, no problem at all. I run ASIO at 1ms latency and Reaper purrs like a kitten, no matter what I throw at it.
do you use the arpegiator in ugos rez or the arp in evol, i dont mean arp as in synth. i mean arpegiator. do you use ugos rez or michael kastrups evol? you know, when i first installed reaper, the frist time on my new pc the arp did stop. but then after a while of using reaper it wont stop.
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:33 AM   #19
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I use freeware plugins heavily. Synthedit stuff doesn't seem to present any special problem on my system (an overloaded Dell laptop). You want unstable? Sonar on my computer with a bunch of plugins of any kind.

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glad to hear you're updated now chicken muffin
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:48 AM   #21
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do you use the arpegiator in ugos rez or the arp in evol, i dont mean arp as in synth. i mean arpegiator. do you use ugos rez or michael kastrups evol? you know, when i first installed reaper, the frist time on my new pc the arp did stop. but then after a while of using reaper it wont stop.
I get the same thing - Rez sometimes stops but usually keeps arping if stopped mid sequence. It might not be Reaper though - I have no idea what causes it.
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This is great bunch of people on this forum.
Still willing to help after such an idiotic first post / Thread title.

I will chime in that I use synthedit based plugs constantly with a p4 2.3ghz / 768RAM laptop with no problems.

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I get the same thing - Rez sometimes stops but usually keeps arping if stopped mid sequence. It might not be Reaper though - I have no idea what causes it.
should i just stop using synthedit arps. why do somebody have problems and others don't?
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I found something on the thread at the link below about synthedit problems. I don't know if it helps.

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...hedit+instance


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Old 08-21-2008, 12:03 PM   #25
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REAPER SUCKS WITH FREEWARE!!!!
LOL

I have plenty of freeware plugins that work without problems in Reaper.


Stop using your crappy plugins!
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Old 08-21-2008, 12:31 PM   #26
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LOL

I have plenty of freeware plugins that work without problems in Reaper.


Stop using your crappy plugins!
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no doubt

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Old 08-21-2008, 01:27 PM   #28
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well, i stopped using the inbuilt synthdit arps and now reapers working ok. maybe in the future well get down to this very annoying problem...
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maybe in the future well get down to this very annoying problem...
which was...?
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which was...?
Grammar I think. <g>
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my ENTIRE plugin collection is freeware (mainly because i'm poor! ). the only problems i have ever had in reaper was with the notorious synthedit plugs ie. multiple instances causing crashes on multiprocessor systems.

the only arp that carried on merrily to itself when i pressed the stop button was ugo's rez 2.0 synth which is a shame as it sounds great
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the notorious synthedit plugs ie. multiple instances causing crashes on multiprocessor systems.
..which of course is a problem across ALL multiprocessor hosts...

(as im sure you already know )
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..which of course is a problem across ALL multiprocessor hosts...

(as im sure you already know )
yup. i should have said that it wasn't reaper specific
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I use mostly freeware vst/vsti's as well. There are a few that can chew hard on resources, some may have a hickup every now and then (in the end..it is freeware), but in general pretty much all of them will work fine.

In your FX-chain there is a CPU indicator telling you how much a plugin leans on resources. In the view menu there is also an overal resources-monitor.

Keep checking those.. Reaper rocks. Nuff said.
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:23 PM   #35
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old synthedit synths don't work or play choppy, synthedit arps wont shut the hell up! my favorite synth augur crashes reaper! synthmaker synths stutter like they have tourettes. reaper may be a cubase killer when it come to high quality commercial plugins, but REAPER SUCKS WITH FREEWARE!!!!
Does it still suck with 2.45 or is it solved?
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Does it still suck with 2.45 or is it solved?
Heheh... Sorry I could not resist. Dstruct, your too funny...

But I use all freeware with REAPER - my budget does not include plug-ins for REAPER at this time. However, the only problem I have ever had with any Plug-ins is DSK Strings!

Happy REAPERing
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:09 PM   #37
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FWIW... try setting the frame rate of your project to 25.

Really.

Dblue's Glitch was giving me constant problems in Reaper, then I read somewhere bout changing the frame rate to 25, and woah nelly, it worked!

*shrugs* Worth a shot anyhoo.
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FWIW... try setting the frame rate of your project to 25.

Really.

Dblue's Glitch was giving me constant problems in Reaper, then I read somewhere bout changing the frame rate to 25, and woah nelly, it worked!

*shrugs* Worth a shot anyhoo.
wha?

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I know, right!? It seems innocuous, but I guess if a plugin is getting timing info from the frame rate, it perhaps makes sence. All I know is that now I'm getting dBlue Glitch to run with a HELL of a lot less crashes, to the point it's now actually usable, so I'm pretty happy bout it.
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..which of course is a problem across ALL multiprocessor hosts...

(as im sure you already know )
Thats true i've been using this plugin I got with CM magazine genesis which is a synthedit synth and it crashes if you try and load more than one instance in any sequencer.

The best work around for it though is to make duplicate copies of the dll and rename them for example genesisCM1.dll, genesisCM2.dll, genesisCM3.dll ect. Then when you need a new instance instead of loading the first dll load the second, then the third and so on.

Providing you dont load the same dll twice it shouldnt crash.
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