|
|
|
03-13-2008, 10:40 AM
|
#1
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NA - North Augusta South Carolina
Posts: 4,294
|
Not having per-item track locking just wasted 3 hours of my life
Every time I press the track (un)lock button it's scary.
I just wasted 3 hours fixing a project, having accidentally nudged an adjacent track, and I almost sent it off that way to go on tv.
I'm sure I'm not alone in having this happen (repeatedly).
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 01:25 PM
|
#2
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
It has me looking at using something else - unfortunately i can't afford any of the programs that have both item locking and the other good things things that reaper does have
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 01:45 PM
|
#3
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Underground Bunker
Posts: 706
|
... I will NOT go back to my previous daw, I will however welcome a locking function!
-W
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 02:22 PM
|
#4
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
It's not the only reason
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost...54&postcount=1
is a new problem and (as with item locking) if the problem arises many times per session it gets annoying
I hope these issues get addressed or acknowledged because there are many other aspects of Reaper that work very well
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 02:30 PM
|
#5
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: in the middle of the icecube.
Posts: 7,403
|
I sympathise
I feel your pain though I can't relate. While I miss the comfort of knowing a track / item is locked, I have never suffered from an inadvertently moved track in Reaper.
nevertheless, ++1 for piece of mind.
.t
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 02:59 PM
|
#6
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
I know from what others have said that the lack of item locking in Reaper is a significant usability issue for a number of people. But if you are primarily tracking bands and tightening up performances it probably isn't.
I'm not so concerned about locking tracks, although being able to lock the TCP setting for a track would also be very handy
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 03:02 PM
|
#7
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Medford, OR
Posts: 1,207
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallisman
I feel your pain though I can't relate. While I miss the comfort of knowing a track / item is locked, I have never suffered from an inadvertently moved track in Reaper.
nevertheless, ++1 for piece of mind.
.t
|
If I bump something, I usually just use "Move Item To Preffered position" thingy.
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 03:08 PM
|
#8
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonTheron
If I bump something, I usually just use "Move Item To Preffered position" thingy.
|
This is only useful if the 'preferred position' is where you actually want it.
No locking of item positons really is a big problem for people doing lots of small edits and shuffling references to the same source to many different positions
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 03:21 PM
|
#9
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Medford, OR
Posts: 1,207
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregh
This is only useful if the 'preferred position' is where you actually want it.
No locking of item positons really is a big problem for people doing lots of small edits and shuffling references to the same source to many different positions
|
Could you glue when you get done with edits on a specific track?
Still definitely agree that we need a per-item lock.
|
|
|
03-13-2008, 03:28 PM
|
#10
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
thanks for the tips jason - yes you are right that 'glue' does help.... but not enough
|
|
|
03-15-2008, 12:12 PM
|
#11
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NA - North Augusta South Carolina
Posts: 4,294
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winfield
... I will NOT go back to my previous daw, I will however welcome a locking function!
-W
|
I hate to say it, but I'm thinking about it because in hindsight - I've wasted a lot of my *life* fixing things because of accidentally bumping an adjacent track. Just for trying to fix a late tom hit or something, you end up with a ton of time figuring out what happened to what clip and how to put it back.
It's not worth it, I can't do that anymore.
|
|
|
04-15-2008, 04:57 PM
|
#12
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 553
|
I've requested this before, as have many others. It just seems like SUCH a simple request, wanted by many, and that will have no adverse effect on any other functions. I can't understand why it hasn't been implemented.
|
|
|
04-15-2008, 06:05 PM
|
#13
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 928
|
I'm back to Audition for low track count audio projects that need a lot of editing. Reaper still wins on large multitrack projects and VSTi's and more, but the lack of item locking is a big one for me. There is something about my relationship with the interface that means items seem to get misplaced by small amounts when i'm doing a lot of edits.
|
|
|
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
|
#14
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 553
|
And just to anticipate the objections on the grounds of "if you don't want something moved, don't move it" - try spending some time with ripple editing enabled and then say that :P
|
|
|
04-16-2008, 12:38 AM
|
#15
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Underground Bunker
Posts: 706
|
The option to glue IS handy, but if I knew how to unglue then it would be immensely more useful for me as a work around for not having per item lock
I'm still keeping everything crossed for the next update of Reaper giving me the option to lock per item/track...
-W
__________________
"if DAWs are religions, REAPER is atheism" - The big J
__________________
Windows 10x64 | Asus Z170-a i7, 32GB ram | RME-Digiface USB
|
|
|
04-21-2008, 08:00 PM
|
#16
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sydney Oz
Posts: 8,480
|
It's a bit like having a safety on a gun...or a safety cone...
++1 from me, it's a real bitch to find out much later something got accidentally shifted. If it wasn't glued or recorded at that spot, then it's all guess work lining it up.
A workaround is to undo back to where everything was cool, and copy the track in question...then redo and paste it back in.
|
|
|
04-22-2008, 03:22 PM
|
#17
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 21,551
|
I haven't run into the issue in Reaper since I'm not a heavy user but I understand it.
Last edited by Lawrence; 04-22-2008 at 04:59 PM.
|
|
|
04-28-2008, 09:36 AM
|
#18
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: swing on the spiral of our divinity
Posts: 2,242
|
I'm struggling to understand this. Can someone explain it to me in simpleton terms.
If this is regarding accidently shifting items with the numpad. You could always change the functionality of the numpad numbers.
|
|
|
04-28-2008, 10:39 AM
|
#19
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Silicon Gulch
Posts: 544
|
.
Quote:
I'm sure I'm not alone in having this happen (repeatedly).
|
You are certainly right about that one!
I also wasted about 2-3 hours this weekend on the same issue.
Reaper makes a pretty good real-time field recorder, especially with the Direct-to-Disc approach and the ability so seamlessly save periodically. I have been using it for a couple of years now for my "Hawaii Project", where I record 8 Tracks for 2-1/2 hours each night continuously and then mix down and break into cuts in my home studio. Since I am auto-saving every 20 minutes or so I end up with 2.5*3*8 = 60 files THAT MUST REMAIN SAMPLE-ACCURATE TO EACH OTHER during all post processing. Post processing time is about Ten Hours for each evenings recordings.
Mostly I keep the files locked for both horizontal and vertical movement, however due to the need to compensate for delay on the ambient mic channels I do need to move some tracks things initially. Also I sometimes need to add tracks from the backup recorder due to equipment problems in the field.
So far, I have accidentally moved one or more of the segments on each and every recording set, costing me an additional 2 to 3 hours of time straightening things out again. Since there are six recording sets to process Reaper will cost me an additional 18 hours on this project for the lack of item-locking alone.
I guess this is what is really meant by "Faster Work Flow"?
P.S. it does not help that moving items is done with a simple left-click and drag, one of the most common of all mouse moves. I suppose I could reprogram the move to use something like shift-right-click and that would reduce the problem but not eliminate it. (Of course then the old shift-right-click would need to be re-assigned and it's successor re-assigned, etc. etc.)
.
__________________
Inundated by a Perfect Storm of Gluten-Free Artisanal Bespoke Quinoa Avocado-Toast Toilet Paper.
Mahope Kakou (Later Dudes)...
Last edited by Kihoalu; 04-28-2008 at 10:48 AM.
|
|
|
04-30-2008, 12:55 AM
|
#20
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3,955
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kihoalu
Mostly I keep the files locked for both horizontal and vertical movement, however due to the need to compensate for delay on the ambient mic channels I do need to move some tracks things initially. Also I sometimes need to add tracks from the backup recorder due to equipment problems in the field.
|
there's a JS effect plugin called time_adjustment which allows you to move a track forwards *or backwards* (by doing something clever with the plugin delay compensation). so you could do your time adjustment using that and leave your tracks locked.
|
|
|
04-30-2008, 02:19 AM
|
#21
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lincoln, UK
Posts: 7,942
|
nudged item workaround...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bevosss
It's a bit like having a safety on a gun...or a safety cone...
++1 from me, it's a real bitch to find out much later something got accidentally shifted. If it wasn't glued or recorded at that spot, then it's all guess work lining it up.
A workaround is to undo back to where everything was cool, and copy the track in question...then redo and paste it back in.
|
This is a useful workaround, must commit to memory...
Per item locking would be good with some kind of visual indication, too. something like a user-defineable colour or pattern overlay...
Last edited by planetnine; 04-30-2008 at 02:22 AM.
Reason: memory error...
|
|
|
05-01-2008, 08:02 AM
|
#22
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: France
Posts: 915
|
Quote:
I'm still keeping everything crossed for the next update of Reaper giving me the option to lock per item/track...
|
Me too !!!
|
|
|
05-22-2008, 07:49 AM
|
#23
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NA - North Augusta South Carolina
Posts: 4,294
|
I keep things locked horizontally... until I need to move something.
To elaborate:
Hypothetically let's say one wants to copy/paste the attack on a bass note to fix it somewhere else.
In a hurry, I set the loop area, copy selected area, blah...
Paste. Except, I HATE the Pro Tools "set 1,000 markers" pasting process... which is great in a perfect world where one can sit back and just bask in calm, serene NitPicky Perfect detail...
BUT, I want to paste it, drag it to where I want it (which is actually the PROCESS YOU DO IN PT, but with the extra step... that drives me nuts)..
Anyhow... drag scoot, drag-scoot... then you see you've got it where you want it, THEN...
It turns out you "touched" the adjacent tracks - or maybe the same track where maybe you've chopped out the offending section. You don't know how often, and how far.
Maybe, you don't realize it until you open the project the next day.
THAT REALLY HYPER SUCKS.
If one could just unlock the single clip (ala CEP) there would be no worries.
Yeah, you could do it The Pro Tools Way (tm), set markers, range, blah blah... but if I liked filling out paperwork I'd have a government job, you know?
Anyhow... per-item clip unlocking would be "a nice thing".
|
|
|
05-22-2008, 09:29 AM
|
#24
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Silicon Gulch
Posts: 544
|
Yes - per-item clip UNLOCKING would be just as good as per-item locking, since I keep things locked most of the time anyway. However, I suspect the code implementation would be substantially the same either way.
P.S. - The JS delay adjuster plug is not useable for me as I need to VISUALLY align the track with others, usually done with scale blown-up so that I see individual samples clearly. I usually align using any convenient transient that is shared between the mixer tracks and the ambient tracks.
__________________
Inundated by a Perfect Storm of Gluten-Free Artisanal Bespoke Quinoa Avocado-Toast Toilet Paper.
Mahope Kakou (Later Dudes)...
|
|
|
06-04-2008, 04:23 AM
|
#25
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Underground Bunker
Posts: 706
|
Just saw this and couldn't agree more :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groovr
I've requested this before, as have many others. It just seems like SUCH a simple request, wanted by many, and that will have no adverse effect on any other functions. I can't understand why it hasn't been implemented.
|
-W
(ten characters)
__________________
"if DAWs are religions, REAPER is atheism" - The big J
__________________
Windows 10x64 | Asus Z170-a i7, 32GB ram | RME-Digiface USB
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:02 AM.
|