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Old 11-20-2016, 03:27 AM   #1
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Default Gain reduction meter in channel strip

I'd like to be able see the current gain reduction value of a compressor or limiter in the signal chain.

Want to right-click the meter to choose which plugin's gain reduction it's showing.

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Old 05-22-2017, 06:50 AM   #2
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I see various mentions of this in Facebook forums. ProTools has it - I think it'd be relatively straight forward to code into Reaper.
Any other takers?
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:20 AM   #3
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What about using or doing a differential db level meter as a plugin and connect it to the pins in the chain before and after the the plugin(s) in question, using the standard FX pin routing Feature in the FX chain of a track ?

(Or do I misunderstand the issue ? )

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Old 05-22-2017, 07:22 AM   #4
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Since you can have any number of compressors on a track, this is not as easy to implement as one would think. PT has it because it's defined by AAX plugin standard. VST doesn't have that defined, AFAIK.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:22 AM   #5
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Here it is in PT. Works best if it's next to the main channel meter like this picture.
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:24 AM   #6
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Since you can have any number of compressors on a track, this is not as easy to implement as one would think. PT has it because it's defined by AAX plugin standard. VST doesn't have that defined, AFAIK.
It could default to the first compressor/limiter in the chain. Then have a right-click on the meter itself to choose either other individual compressors on the strip or the sum total of gain reduction (all of them added together).
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:30 AM   #7
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Many plug-ins implement this: http://www.presonussoftware.com/en_U...p?id=developer

Waves, PA, Softube, Fabfilter etc..
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:34 AM   #9
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It would be nice to have it, but wouldn't it cause problems to implement it for other plugins rather than Cockos'?
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:43 AM   #10
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I don't see how this could ever be useful.
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:02 AM   #11
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I don't see how this could ever be useful.
Being able to see GR without opening the plug-in GUI doesn't sound useful?

Perhaps you don't use automation or track controls or track with compressors or mix with compression or...
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:05 AM   #12
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...or I just use my ears.

Edit:well shit , while we're at it why not add full control of any VST right from Reaper's meter...that would be wicked awesome.
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...or I just use my ears.

Edit:well shit , while we're at it why not add full control of any VST right from Reaper's meter...that would be wicked awesome.
The problem with using your ears for GR is that it's like boiling a frog; you eventually get used to gradual changes and end up in hot soup before you know it.

Anyway, we do have near full control from near-the-meters. That's what track controls are. Your sarcasm doesn't work too well here unless you're trying to advocate for the OP's suggestion :P
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:24 AM   #14
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...or I just use my ears.
I would assume so, the occasional meter is nice but that should *never* stop someone from being able to tell what the compressor is doing since it's result is explicitly for your ears. Granted compression can be one of the harder things to hear but again, that goes with being able to tell if you need one and whether it is helping, if one can't tell that without a meter, how do they even know one is needed?
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:40 AM   #15
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I would assume so, the occasional meter is nice but that should *never* stop someone from being able to tell what the compressor is doing since it's result is explicitly for your ears. Granted compression can be one of the harder things to hear but again, that goes with being able to tell if you need one and whether it is helping, if one can't tell that without a meter, how do they even know one is needed?
For me it'd be useful to keep an eye on whether I've accidentally driven a compressor too far and if so, which strip. Sometimes in a complex mix there can be level automation etc that you just lose sight of. I like to see the GR meters as I work. I do listen with my ears but my eyes are a useful support mechanism!
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:39 AM   #16
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Yes please. Sometimes I over compress and need to look at the gain reduction meter.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:43 AM   #17
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How did you know it was overcompressed?

I do get it, I use the meter (on whatever compressor) myself from time to time but I must stress still, that if you can't hear the compression you need or are applying, that's a problem. However, I also think this metering should be on the compressor not the track. Part of learning how to do it by ear is exactly by under/over-compressing, noticing you did and training your senses accordingly.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:52 AM   #18
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It happens trust me. I'm pretty sure it happen to all us at one time or another. It just a helpful tool to have.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:54 AM   #19
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It happens trust me. I'm pretty sure it happen to all us at one time or another. It just a helpful tool to have.
How/where? Just asking, I mean how does it get over compressed and never noticed? Not being argumentative but being able to hear it is extremely important since there is no such thing as compression that doesn't affect what we hear - and still matter, so at minimum consider this an academic exercise to help make us all better.

I agree a meter on the compressor can be very helpful while making initial settings and educational, but I'm having difficulty understanding how not having it can result in not knowing it is overcompressed. In that respect I think the meter will be more harmful than helpful because it creates a reliance that deters hearing it. If we get used to that then yes, we need it because we never learned to hear it and probably don't really understand what it is doing for/against us.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:11 AM   #20
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I agree with you. Less is more especially with compression. But for some they might need to see the gain reduction meter,their ears might not be as sharp as the next human being.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:02 PM   #21
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So funny. I thought about this feature request yesterday.
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:54 AM   #22
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Just like ED mentioned, the vst spec doesn't have it, so its going to be a hack, no matter which way its tackled.

However, Reacomp, Reagate, and maybe ReaXcomp, could be done.

Not to mention, it could be added to JS.
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Not to mention, it could be added to JS.
There's a JS effect that does it already.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:01 AM   #24
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There's a JS effect that does it already.
EvilDragon - Would you mind tellin me which one that is?

That is something I'd really like to try, too.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:22 AM   #25
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Video was posted above.

https://youtu.be/4Y1xHqMkuek?t=340
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Video was posted above.

https://youtu.be/4Y1xHqMkuek?t=340
Thanks!!
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:23 PM   #27
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For me it'd be useful to keep an eye on whether I've accidentally driven a compressor too far and if so, which strip. Sometimes in a complex mix there can be level automation etc that you just lose sight of. I like to see the GR meters as I work. I do listen with my ears but my eyes are a useful support mechanism!
Just a bump for visibility - version 6 feature? I'd actually change it to total track gain reduction so anything compressing in the track FX would accumulate to the meter, just like protools.
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Old 07-19-2019, 07:03 AM   #28
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Bump for v6 - 24-5 YES please on the poll.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:27 PM   #29
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Please make this possible.
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Here:
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Old 11-21-2021, 08:11 PM   #31
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Can you explain how to install and use this?
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Old 11-22-2021, 02:53 PM   #32
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You can do this with HeDaScripts Track inspector -
https://reaper.hector-corcin.com/app/track-inspector

But it would be great to have as part of Reaper
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You can do this with HeDaScripts Track inspector -
https://reaper.hector-corcin.com/app/track-inspector

But it would be great to have as part of Reaper
Is there a way to have this track inspector info shown on the mixer window or do you have to open the track inspector every time you want to see gain reduction info?
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Is there a way to have this track inspector info shown on the mixer window or do you have to open the track inspector every time you want to see gain reduction info?
I haven't used it for a while so i can't remember exactly, but I seem to remember there being a whole alternate mixer script that lets you do that.
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I haven't used it for a while so i can't remember exactly, but I seem to remember there being a whole alternate mixer script that lets you do that.
Interesting. If you could find it, I'd appreciate it.
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Interesting. If you could find it, I'd appreciate it.
It's the Heda mixer script I believe, details here -
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=202024
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It's the Heda mixer script I believe, details here -
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=202024
Awesome! Thanks so much for your help
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Old 07-11-2022, 01:07 PM   #38
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That feature would be very helpful for mixing live recordings.
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Old 07-11-2022, 01:52 PM   #39
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That feature would be very helpful for mixing live recordings.
Thanks for finding this thread! I'd still find this desirable.
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Thanks for finding this thread! I'd still find this desirable.
Yes, for live mixing - you just take a glance at the gain reduction meters and immediately you see that guitar player turned up volume on his amp or stomped on his booster pedal.
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