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Old 06-18-2016, 04:46 AM   #1
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Default Preview automation -> Latch Preview now in PreRelease

Go check it out in the Pre-Release forum section.

We are finally there. Test it, find any flaws you can, and contribute to the discussion.
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:37 AM   #2
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Worthy of a good tutorial video too .

@Kenny , here's all the stuff I've written so far. There is some more in the pre-release thread as well.
But now we got it. Thank you .

First impression.
Just gave this a test run and it works very well. No bugs so far, and with the behaviours already described it's probably easy to work with.

What the changelog does not mention are some actions that were added as well:
  • Automation: Set track automation mode to latch preview
  • Automation: Set all tracks automation mode to latch preview
  • Global automation override: All automation in latch mode



@Nicholas , in the manual you should provide details on how familiar operations from other places operate in Reaper. There are always differences, and it's a good thing to show people how those familiar things can be achieved in Reaper. People can build and modify their workflows from there.


Personally I think this mode is named and described very well. It should click for a lot more people than "Preview" only. Suggestions for changes and additions are at the bottom of this post.


Comparisons

  • Protools Preview is a global modifier

    Reaper Preview is per track or a temporary global override. Reaper also only has Latch Preview, which is the only mode to make sense anyway.

    The action "Global automation override: All automation in latch preview mode" is pretty much what Protools only has. It's also the easiest way for complete free-wheeling.

  • Protools has a command to Punch the Preview buffer

    Reaper needs to change the track mode or the global automation override to Latch mode to do exactly that.

  • Protools can bypass its Preview mode and reenable it to compare changes.

    Reaper currently has no functionality to cover that.



Common operations
  • Preview is best used globally most of the time to protect any existing data.

  • After writing, how do you restore normal functionality, i.e. everything reads from the envelopes and nothing writes ?

    You use a trick. Use these two actions at the end of your writing/automation recording workflow:
    Global automation override: All automation in read mode
    Global automation override: no override (set automation modes per track)
    This "matches" out as well. You can use this to clear the Latch Preview buffer(i.e. nothing is taken over) or stop writing to any envelopes in Latch mode as well.


There are only a couple of things I would suggest be addressed in updates.

  1. The Preview automation button on the TCP/MCP looks like Trim/Read. I know it's lightly blue but I can't tell that at a glance.

    Latch Preview is much too special for that, and nobody reads the text on the buttons when they're mixing. Strong colours are still a better indicator. Perhaps Latch with a strong contrasted border around it ? Or simply be a lot more bold with the colour.

    Automation mode buttons by and far look a bit like someone is afraid they might be spotted. White Tie to the dancing rescue!

  2. I would suggest a different colour scheme for Preview-taken-over parameters than the WRITING colour red. Yellow and blue are not taken, but White Tie might be a better judge of colour here.

    Would you prefer to think "Yes, that's Preview Latch" or always think "Is that Latch, Write or Preview Latch ?".

  3. Bypassing and re-enabling the buffer is a good thing to have. If implemented it also need to be indicated on the GUI. We have a couple of methods for that.

    As we don't have a bypass button like we do for FX, red text on a black background could be a good "Bypass" indicator for the Latch Preview button. That stands out well for the I/O button when master/parent send is deactivated. Just one idea.


Well, well. We're off to the races even better now. Thanks for taking this on fellas.

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Old 07-11-2016, 02:36 AM   #3
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Ok, this is just about done. We're at release candidate status, which is a decent indicator that an official release is close.

If you'd still like to participate in testing the pre-release of this feature, there's not much time left to do so.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:46 AM   #4
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Protools can bypass its Preview mode and reenable it to compare changes.

Reaper currently has no functionality to cover that.
Hello Reapers

Do You have any knowledge about this feature? is it already covered?
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Old 12-04-2022, 02:43 PM   #5
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Hello Reapers

Do You have any knowledge about this feature? is it already covered?
Have a nice day
That's crazy! That's EXACTLY what I was going to post about in the forum. The Pro Tools preview button on/off is awesome for doing an A/B check between what you had and what's in the preview mode.

I'm assuming it should be simple to implement with an action such as "Disengage latch preview without discarding automation" so that you can hear your previous version, then get again into latch preview without losing your moves.

We should introduce a formal feature request.
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We did that.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=179849

It‘s not implemented yet. Maybe when Cockos does some post-production stuff.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:12 AM   #7
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We did that.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=179849

It‘s not implemented yet. Maybe when Cockos does some post-production stuff.
In my humble opinion, that feature request is needlesly complicated.

32(99?) slots for saving and loading Latch Preview buffers??

Adding/removing entire plugins to/from the Latch Preview buffer??

It might be worth trying filing a much simpler feature request.
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Might as well go for it. They didn't add a lot of things we asked for when Preview mode was on the table. Latch Preview bypass was part of the original request as well.

That's not going to stop them. They just have to get around to doing stuff for our corner of the userbase.

You'll find a bunch of mixing related requests collected here. https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=268152
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