Yes, it seems that TCP FX are not working correctly now.
When there are no effects in the TCP, empty FX icons are no longer displayed.
This breaks the design of my theme and makes fast drag sends impossible.
Yes, it seems that TCP FX are not working correctly now.
When there are no effects in the TCP, empty FX icons are no longer displayed.
This breaks the design of my theme and makes fast drag sends impossible.
In the previous versions though the empty slots would actually display if the option to show sends in the tcp was turned on, now they don't display no matter what.
Double clicking a send knob in the TCP open the properties for that send instead of resetting the send to unity as I would expect. Is this intentional? It seems odd given that doing the same thing on send knob in the MCP does set the send to unity
Double clicking a send knob in the TCP open the properties for that send instead of resetting the send to unity as I would expect. Is this intentional? It seems odd given that doing the same thing on send knob in the MCP does set the send to unity
Just a bug (if you use the combined FX/send view on the MCP it also affects that)
Great additions here! I am very happy to see sends and FX can now be shown in the TCP, that is an excellent feature.
One question about that: Is it possible to change the size/height/width of the Sends/FX Inserts in the TCP? I've noticed that the space used to show FX inserts and sends is not being used as economically as it could be. The Default 6 theme shows it as a vertical list:
With the width reduced at a specific amount, the Default theme, plus a few third party ones, show the list in this format, as one column. If the width of the TCP is increased, it eventually shows as two or three columns:
Regardless of how many columns show, there's a bit of vertical space in between each list entry, and in addition to that, when shown in one column in the first picture, there's a lot of wasted space on the sides. Compared to the mixer window on the right, you can see how much more effectively the mixer utilizes its space when showing FX inserts and sends. The entries are a lot more compact.
It did appear a little bit different on a few other third party themes. My primary theme is Janne 2016, mainly because this theme makes very economical use of screen space. On this theme, plus about 75% of other third-party themes I tried, Sends and FX are less wide and do not ever show as one wide column at any TCP width as it does on the Default theme (which isn't necessarily a bad thing):
Here's a screenshot of my mixer's FX inserts compared to the FX inserts on the TCP. As you can see, it's still not quite as compact and efficient as the mixer. The FX inserts on the mixer have a lot less empty space/padding on the tops/bottoms/sides of the blue boxes. In the TCP, right now, the squares are probably quite a bit thicker/larger than they need to be. If they were less thick and tall, I'd imagine a lot more information could be shown in a smaller space.
A few small related details: The mousewheel doesn't seem to work when hovering over the TCP fx/sends list. Not a big deal, but might be nice to have as an option anyway!
Also, the only place, as far as I could tell, where I could turn these new TCP FX/Sends list features on or off was in the actions list. I couldn't find it in any menu anywhere. Not a big problem, although I imagine for newer users, unless these features were enabled by default, they might not easily find where to enable these settings without knowing exactly where to look already.
Anyway, not a huge deal, I'm still very happy that this feature was implemented anyway, but figured I'd provide my 2 cents!
Last edited by Mosaic Music; 09-21-2020 at 03:25 PM.
+ Track panels: optionally show FX and sends in track panels
The font for the FX inserts in the TCP is pretty tiny in my theme mod. What font slot is referenced in the advanced theme adjuster to change that? Thanks for any insight.
There are a few noteworthy theming changes that are in this release that look like they didn't make it into the final changelog for some reason:
# Theme support: add 15 new tcp_sendlist and tcp_master_sendlist images
# WALTER: add tcp.fxembed
# WALTER: add tcp_fxembed scalar for layout decisions
tcp.sendlist was also added to WALTER for creating a seperate send list in the TCP. As far as I can tell that one was never even included in any of the pre-release changelogs, but I managed to infer its existence on my own from a comment Justin made in one of the pre-release threads.
Justin/Schwa, can you guys update the WALTER and Theme Development reference pages to include all the new stuff?
Is it possible to change the size/height/width of the Sends/FX Inserts in the TCP?
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With the width reduced at a specific amount, the Default theme, plus a few third party ones, show the list in this format, as one column. If the width of the TCP is increased, it eventually shows as two or three columns: Regardless of how many columns show, there's a bit of vertical space in between each list entry, and in addition to that, when shown in one column in the first picture, there's a lot of wasted space on the sides.
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In the TCP, right now, the squares are probably quite a bit thicker/larger than they need to be. If they were less thick and tall, I'd imagine a lot more information could be shown in a smaller space.
You can change all of this by tweaking the values for tcp.fxparm, and tcp.sendlist in the theme's WALTER tex, and by editing the relevant theme images (tcp_fxparm_fx_norm/byp/off.png, and tcp_sendlist_norm/mute/empty.png)
+ Track panels: optionally show FX and sends in track panels
where is this option hidden?
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Originally Posted by dupont
Where is it ?
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Originally Posted by Mosaic Music
Also, the only place, as far as I could tell, where I could turn these new TCP FX/Sends list features on or off was in the actions list. I couldn't find it in any menu anywhere.
It's in the default version of the Options menu, but if you've customized your menus you won't see it there unless you go into the menu editor.
You can change all of this by tweaking the values for tcp.fxparm, and tcp.sendlist in the theme's WALTER tex, and by editing the relevant theme images (tcp_fxparm_fx_norm/byp/off.png, and tcp_sendlist_norm/mute/empty.png)
For example, here's how I've set mine up:
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Originally Posted by RobinGShore
It's in the default version of the Options menu, but if you've customized your menus you won't see it there unless you go into the menu editor.
Great, this is exactly what I was wondering about. Thank you much for the info!
The height/size of your FX buttons looks perfect, what values did you set for that?
The height/size of your FX buttons looks perfect, what values did you set for that?
To be honest it took a lot of trial and error to make it look the way I wanted, so I don't think I could actually tell you exactly what to change if I wanted to. Here's the WALTER for my fx and send lists if you want try to decipher what I did. Hopefully the WALTER reference page (https://www.reaper.fm/sdk/walter/walter.php) can illuminate things a little bit as well.
EDIT: I see that I actually left myself a helpful note about slot heights in the WALTER code. It looks like you can adjust the heights by changing the second number in the brackets after tcp.fxparm.font
Last edited by RobinGShore; 09-21-2020 at 07:53 PM.
+ Theme: use scrollbars instead of scroll buttons for FX/sends/FX parameters
An improvement over the scroll buttons to be sure, but it comes too early; I don't need an empty fx param slot eating up vertical space or a scrollbar eating up horizontal space and now it seems I have to choose one or the other:
It should only appear when hiding actual parameters, I think. Same with fx inserts and sends.
+ Theme: use scrollbars instead of scroll buttons for FX/sends/FX parameters
An improvement over the scroll buttons to be sure, but it comes too early; I don't need an empty fx param slot eating up vertical space or a scrollbar eating up horizontal space and now it seems I have to choose one or the other:
It should only appear when hiding actual parameters, I think.
Agreed.
Glad I'm at least not the only one worried about this.
My MCP is conceptually very similar to yours (channel strip), and this new feature kind of screwed up my mixing template
Same issue with the last empty slot as you said. And now I have all these new green scrollbars "flashing" all the time, due to the mouse hovering over the FX parameters while moving through different tracks in the MCP.
I've actually always been using the mouse wheel to scroll through inserts/parameters/sends anyway, and it works better than anything else.
Never used the buttons, never actually felt the need of an extra element on the GUI.
It would be great if this new feature could be made optional.
You can change all of this by tweaking the values for tcp.fxparm, and tcp.sendlist in the theme's WALTER tex, and by editing the relevant theme images (tcp_fxparm_fx_norm/byp/off.png, and tcp_sendlist_norm/mute/empty.png)
For example, here's how I've set mine up:
I hope someone can get this mod ported over to the default theme, as this was what most people were asking for in the first place.
I don't wish to see any extra FX info in the TCP, so as long as there's always an option not to clutter up the track panels, I don't care what gets added.
+ Theme: use scrollbars instead of scroll buttons for FX/sends/FX parameters
An improvement over the scroll buttons to be sure, but it comes too early; I don't need an empty fx param slot eating up vertical space or a scrollbar eating up horizontal space and now it seems I have to choose one or the other:
It should only appear when hiding actual parameters, I think. Same with fx inserts and sends.
I think you need an empty slot in order to add fx from there. otherwise how would you add from there?
I think you need an empty slot in order to add fx from there. otherwise how would you add from there?
Same way as it worked before: just by dragging down the handle it showed a new empty slot.
(or add the fx-parameter from the fx window: Param > Show in track controls).
The difference is, the scroll buttons (now replaced by the scrollbar) only used to appear when actual assigned parameters were hiding. Now it appears when the first empty slot is hiding.
No real need to always have an empty slot showing (which takes up space from my sends below), just to prevent the new scrollbar from appearing
Double clicking a send knob in the TCP open the properties for that send instead of resetting the send to unity as I would expect. Is this intentional? It seems odd given that doing the same thing on send knob in the MCP does set the send to unity
When the sends are grouped with the inserts double clicking the send knob opens the track sends box. So that is wrong.
When the sends are not grouped with the inserts double click on the sends knob resets to 0.00dB. So that's right.