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The Telenator · 04-23-2013, 08:31 AM

I think rational people would agree that REAPER is very, very reasonably priced, especially for the quality of the product. I just can't see how that comparison can hold any water at all.

Justin, I see that you have your deal breaker price point also -- $600US is it? or perhaps $500? -- as you mentioned above, and as we all do. I think my own disgust at this situation falls right in there in line with the complete irrationality of, for example, softsynth prices. There is simply no rhyme or reason to the prices we are constantly asked to pay for as much as half the items we need to do our jobs. We're not talking about Air Jordans to impress or for casual use here. I also believe much of this is our own fault; we listen with our eyeballs and often critique the quality of sound based in whatever our friends and colleagues say is en vogue or must-have.

I'm not going to carry on with opening this stinky can of worms regarding the software side of it, but I'll leave the quality and pricing issue with that well-known test carried out, comparing George Yohng's W1 limiter (freeware) to the Waves L1 (pricey). They graph virtually identical, and I would defy anyone to hear any audible difference at all. The test:

http://redfaux.typepad.com/the_redfa...-l1-clone.html

Returning to the Fishman situation, I'm stating plainly (again) that the actual hardware used here is nothing earth-shattering whatsoever. Some of you are going glassy-eyed instantly and acting like it's some sort of magic or voodoo. Nonsense. They should be given credit for heading in the wireless direction but, after all, Fishman is now a huge corporation specialising almost exclusively in the area of guitar pickups and sensors, so this is really no more noteworthy than what we should expect from them. Again, all the various parts here have been around for a while, though perhaps not screwed together as such before. But it didn't take a genius to figure this out, nor a high intellect to figure out that they had something they could use to empty too many wallets.

I'll grant here that at least the responses to my original price annoyance post didn't go fanboi in defense, but I'm seeing the same sort of shoe gazing and excuse-making I see every time this sort of unethical pricing happens. It is bound to continue in our field forever, or at least until people start growing spines and learn to stand up against the regular bilking we are subject to. Look at this -- all standing around thinking up excuses for why a multimillion dollar corporation is giving us the shaft once again. I'll say one thing for our lot: there is seldom any common sense among us. We're instead a bunch of trained rats in a maze, scurrying around without any thought or caution just to get another pellet from the feed dispenser. What a distinguished league of serfs and gear-enslaved! Their piezo setups in acoustic guitars are ever more complicated and feature-packed but a fraction of the price of this. Maybe think about that when you're picking off the sticky gunk they make you use on your guitar to affix their little $400 marvel.

Seems I have to say it again -- it's a deal breaker -- and Fishman broke it by unethical pricing. No, I 'don't think it's worth it, [I] won't buy it.' And I feel for ya over in the EU zones. How did it end up even more ridiculously priced there? Should be lower, based on $$$ conversion rates, shouldn't it?

04-23-2013, 08:31 AM	#136
The Telenator Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Oud West, NL Posts: 2,335	I think rational people would agree that REAPER is very, very reasonably priced, especially for the quality of the product. I just can't see how that comparison can hold any water at all. Justin, I see that you have your deal breaker price point also -- $600US is it? or perhaps $500? -- as you mentioned above, and as we all do. I think my own disgust at this situation falls right in there in line with the complete irrationality of, for example, softsynth prices. There is simply no rhyme or reason to the prices we are constantly asked to pay for as much as half the items we need to do our jobs. We're not talking about Air Jordans to impress or for casual use here. I also believe much of this is our own fault; we listen with our eyeballs and often critique the quality of sound based in whatever our friends and colleagues say is en vogue or must-have. I'm not going to carry on with opening this stinky can of worms regarding the software side of it, but I'll leave the quality and pricing issue with that well-known test carried out, comparing George Yohng's W1 limiter (freeware) to the Waves L1 (pricey). They graph virtually identical, and I would defy anyone to hear any audible difference at all. The test: http://redfaux.typepad.com/the_redfa...-l1-clone.html Returning to the Fishman situation, I'm stating plainly (again) that the actual hardware used here is nothing earth-shattering whatsoever. Some of you are going glassy-eyed instantly and acting like it's some sort of magic or voodoo. Nonsense. They should be given credit for heading in the wireless direction but, after all, Fishman is now a huge corporation specialising almost exclusively in the area of guitar pickups and sensors, so this is really no more noteworthy than what we should expect from them. Again, all the various parts here have been around for a while, though perhaps not screwed together as such before. But it didn't take a genius to figure this out, nor a high intellect to figure out that they had something they could use to empty too many wallets. I'll grant here that at least the responses to my original price annoyance post didn't go fanboi in defense, but I'm seeing the same sort of shoe gazing and excuse-making I see every time this sort of unethical pricing happens. It is bound to continue in our field forever, or at least until people start growing spines and learn to stand up against the regular bilking we are subject to. Look at this -- all standing around thinking up excuses for why a multimillion dollar corporation is giving us the shaft once again. I'll say one thing for our lot: there is seldom any common sense among us. We're instead a bunch of trained rats in a maze, scurrying around without any thought or caution just to get another pellet from the feed dispenser. What a distinguished league of serfs and gear-enslaved! Their piezo setups in acoustic guitars are ever more complicated and feature-packed but a fraction of the price of this. Maybe think about that when you're picking off the sticky gunk they make you use on your guitar to affix their little $400 marvel. Seems I have to say it again -- it's a deal breaker -- and Fishman broke it by unethical pricing. No, I 'don't think it's worth it, [I] won't buy it.' And I feel for ya over in the EU zones. How did it end up even more ridiculously priced there? Should be lower, based on $$$ conversion rates, shouldn't it?