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issueid=637 07-20-2009 12:27 AM
Human being with feelings
Managing favorite plugins folder and creating sub folders

My FR is about the FX browser section:

-To create subfolders and sort them alphabetically
-To be able to resize the FX browser windows (i'd like to resize this to see all the folder names)

IE:

Free Plugins (Folder)
- AcmeBarGig (Sub Folder)
- Aradaz (Sub Folder)
- Blue Cat (Sub Folder)
- Etc... (Sub Folder)

Plugins (Folder)
- ApulSoft (Sub Folder)
- Nomad Factory (Sub Folder)
- Oxford (Sub Folder)

OR By Category:

Dynamics (Folder)
- Compressors (Sub Folder)
- Gate (Sub Folder)
- Limiters (Sub Folder)
EQ (Folder)
- Filters (Sub Folder)
- Graphic (Sub Folder)
- Linear Phase (Sub Folder)

Issue Details
Issue Type Feature Request
Project Deprecated REAPER issue tracker
Category Plugins
Status Suggested
Priority 3
Suggested Version 3.05
Implemented Version (none)
Users who would use this feature 31
Users who would not use this feature 1
Assigned Users (none)
Tags (none)

07-20-2009 08:23 PM
NAS NAS is offline
Human being with feelings
 
Nope
This should all be done using the folder structure on the hard drive
Any other solution is reinventing the wheel and totally pointless
Major disrespect to the developers of Reaper for doing it the way they have because in my mind it assumes that people will not be using other VST capable hosts
Part of this is also the totally stupid naming
Where does Reaper magic these plugin names from and why the hell aren't they just named exactly as the dll is named
So when i have gone to the effort (Like a lot of people) to rename my plugins dll to say cyanide(dist).dll or utonic(drum).dll so that when i search for drum or dist these show up (In most of my other hosts i may add)
This need to be sorted at some stage and i hope it is sooner rather than later

Sorry to sound so offish but this is my number one pet peeve with Reaper now they have sorted out the MIDI performance
I despise the FX browser currently

NAS
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07-21-2009 12:14 AM
-blšnk-
 
Nope nope.
I think these are two different FR, both with equal validity. Personally I favour the original request, but that's only because I don't care for a proper folder structure in my vsti folder and because I still use some (though very few) DX plugs as well. I am very happy that I can easily have them mixed with vst in the appropriate folders. Plus I appreciate the possibility to have the same plugin show up in multiple folders.

I do understand and respect your request as well, NAS, but it is a different thing from what the OP wants to see.
I agree with the naming confusion thing you mention.
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07-21-2009 01:45 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NAS
So when i have gone to the effort (Like a lot of people) to rename my plugins dll to say cyanide(dist).dll or utonic(drum).dll so that when i search for drum or dist these show up (In most of my other hosts i may add)
Dude, why would you rename your .DLLs when Reaper offers you to rename the plugin name FROM THE FX BIN? Just select the effect and press F2, there you go! No need to change DLLs in any way!


But I agree, we should be able to organize our effects and synths by categories, and without using hard drive folder structure! So that we can make our own "virtual fx bin" folder(s) and organize through them.
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08-13-2009 07:07 PM
Human being with feelings
 
As someone who downloads every free plugin under the sun, I totally appreciate how Reaper organizes them. I really had to play whack-a-mole in Cubase SX 3, trying to select the appropriate plug(it's just as bad as the XP Start menu). Having to physically move files about and rename them is a total pita. Subfolders would improve things even more, and being able to sort folders alphabetically would further reduce the time needed to find a particular plug.
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08-15-2009 11:30 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Sure Lambdoid, and another big advantage of this would be the possibility of using it PLUGIN in more than one folder.
(Sorry my English)

Greetings
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08-16-2009 01:31 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lambdoid
As someone who downloads every free plugin under the sun, I totally appreciate how Reaper organizes them. I really had to play whack-a-mole in Cubase SX 3, trying to select the appropriate plug(it's just as bad as the XP Start menu). Having to physically move files about and rename them is a total pita. Subfolders would improve things even more, and being able to sort folders alphabetically would further reduce the time needed to find a particular plug.
less is more...even when you have a search engine.
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08-16-2009 03:57 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NAS
Nope
This should all be done using the folder structure on the hard drive
Any other solution is reinventing the wheel and totally pointless
NAS
Trying to reorganize your folder structure on the HD will

a) break every uninstall script
b) if you're unlucky will force you to re-authorize again (or worse, reinstall)

If you're so prudent to know your vst folder structure beforehand for the next 2 years, the HD approach will save you 5 minutes of work. But for slightly chaotic mortals like me seperating plugins from folders is a godsend: 'Where's blockfish? vst\FX?..nope...click.click.click..vst\freebies\fx ?..nope..click...'..ex-live user here.

+1 from me
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08-16-2009 07:33 AM
Human being with feelings
 
I like organizing my plugins as well.

Type 'blo' to find Blockfish btw. As soon at the FX browser opens, you can enter a value for the filter. Autofocused.
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08-16-2009 07:54 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
I like organizing my plugins as well.

Type 'blo' to find Blockfish btw. As soon at the FX browser opens, you can enter a value for the filter. Autofocused.
Thanks but my click..click..click example was taken live from Live!, which does mirror the folder structure..

kind regards...Pia Kraft
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08-16-2009 09:43 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NAS
Sorry to sound so offish but this is my number one pet peeve with Reaper now they have sorted out the MIDI performance
I respectfully disagree. Imho MIDI performance is still way below par.
For example, just try changing the tempo manually while playing some MIDI, and hell breaks loose.
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08-17-2009 01:28 PM
NAS NAS is offline
Human being with feelings
 
Well from the replies all i can say is that the naysayers of what i said obviously do not use other hosts too
If they did it would be very clear that the current way of working is reinventing the wheel
Well everyone to there own ;)

NAS
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08-20-2009 03:16 AM
Human being with feelings
 
at the meantime you can put a shortcut to the REAPER settings folder,
which located in the OS user account folder.

and edit/sort all these settings by your self.

EDIT: they're allready alphabetic sorted.
only folders don't.
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08-21-2009 02:11 PM
Human being with feelings
 
i was using the folderstructure of reaper, now i don`t anymore ... here`s what i did:
i used the rename feature to _add_ the type of fx to the name, i.e. "retro film tone" becomes "retro film tone [EQ]", "helix" became "helix [VA hybrid]", "pro53" became "pro 53 [VA]", etc ...

that way i kinda tagged the plugins for keywords, and by including the brackets in the search, i`m instantly able to see just the plugs that fit to the search entry ...
and even if i don`t use the search engine, i can still see what the plugin does just by looking at it ...
a bit of initial work, but works for me ...
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08-21-2009 02:31 PM
-blšnk-
 
beware, brok.
I did that for all my plugs and when I had it done I was enthusiastic. That tagged search was brilliant. Only thing missing are the JS plugs. Then for some reason I had to rescan the vstplugins folder...
All aliases and tags gone with one big swoosh. I didn't bother redoing it yet.

Take care


EDIT: Ooops, awfully sorry I caused that irritation, brok. Indeed I had to do the full clear cache thing to stop a misbehaving plug from causing havoc. Of course a simple rescan or scan for new plugs does no harm. Sorry again for the headache.
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08-21-2009 03:14 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
beware, brok.
I did that for all my plugs and when I had it done I was enthusiastic.
That tagged search was brilliant. Only thing missing are the JS plugs.
Then for some reason I had to rescan the vstplugins folder...
All aliases and tags gone with one big swoosh. I didn't bother redoing
it yet.

Take care
what!?!?!?!?
ahhhw, come on ... so rescanning the plugin directory kills all the
renaming????? well, if this is really the case:

1. thanks for pointing thatone out
2. this is a real showstopper, a definitive nogo.

i mean, come on, what good is a renaming feature that is destroyed by a
rescan of the plugins?? as i see it, everytime i install a new plugin, the
directory is resanned, right? so that would mean, as soon as i install a
new plugin, the aliasing is down the toilette????
ahh, man, what a let down ...

edit:
just took the plunge and rescanned the directory, and the alasing stays
perfectly intact here. i assume that the aliasing-kill only happens if you
click "clear cache and rescan directory".


however, i`m for a userdefined tagging possibility then in the plugin browser ...
i.e. you define a tag by a text entry, and that becomes a button right
above the filter list. every plugin is then tagable multiple by rightclick
on the plugin name (tickable in the rightclick dropdown, where all user
defined tags show up).
i.e.:

- make a tag-button called "compression"
- then tag all the plugins that are compressors
- make a tag-button called "eq"
- then tag all the plugins that are eq`s.

if a plugin is a channelstrip, which is made of compressor and eq, just tag
this plugin with both, "eq" and "compressor" ... additionally you can make
a tag called "channelstrip", and tag it with thatone, too ...
imo that`s by far the fastest way to find a plugin that suits your needs ...
you could also additionally tag the plugins by the company, so if you
search for a plugin from company x, you can find all the plugs by that
company just by tagging them ...
that would be my idea for a better structuring of all the plugins one has ...
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08-23-2009 10:38 AM
Human being with feelings
 
i think this suggest can be very helpfull for managing plugins/presets

1. you can orgnaize them on your disk, and use any internal/external explorer to reach them.

2. you don't have to rescan every new freeware vst
3. you don't have to worry about missing setting.


vote for it
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03-05-2010 07:59 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
be able to resize the FX browser windows (i'd like to resize this to see all the folder names)
That's done in 3.35!


Alphabetic sorting and subfolders still missing.
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