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issueid=536 07-12-2009 04:08 AM
Human being with feelings
Real "Disable Track" option

What about a real "Disable Track" option?


For me the option would do something like this:

1. Minimize the track and fix it at this height
2. mute it, disable all routings and offline all fx and all media on it (to free all ressources)
3. disable all buttons on the track (so you can't change anything by accident)



Quote:
Originally Posted by edding View Post
I can't find a disable track option.
I only can mute a track for save performance.

But i don't want to mute the track, i want to disable it.
In a normal mixing workflow you have a lot of muted tracks that you will unmute adding instruments to the mix.
A lot of times you must use 'unmute all'. When you do this, the 'not-real-disabled' track is active again.

When you freeze a track, normally you just want to disable it, not mute it.

I'v search the forum and the Guide but don't find it.

¿There is a way to REAL disable track?

Thanks.



http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=343258
Issue Details
Issue Type Elevated FR
Project Deprecated REAPER issue tracker
Category Arcana
Status Popular Request
Priority 5 - Medium
Suggested Version 3.05
Implemented Version (none)
Users who would use this feature 162
Users who would not use this feature 3
Assigned Users (none)
Tags (none)

07-12-2009 05:39 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Like Sonar´s "Archive track". Takes no memory, no cpu.
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07-12-2009 05:53 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Sure, but I don't think it should be high priority. You can already do this with a macro I'm sure.
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07-12-2009 06:50 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amberience
Sure, but I don't think it should be high priority. You can already do this with a macro I'm sure.
You can't.
The only thing you can do with macros is turn offline media item with the properly erase risk.

Without macros you can move tracks to other project. But this is very slow and inefficient.
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07-12-2009 07:39 AM
Moderator
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edding
You can't.
The only thing you can do with macros is turn offline media item with the properly erase risk.

Without macros you can move tracks to other project. But this is very slow and inefficient.
You can.
There's no need to set media offline.
Check my post in your thread for further information.
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07-12-2009 07:42 AM
Human being with feelings
 
you can mute, unload fx, offline and lock media and minimize track now.

only thing missing it seems to me is 'lock track height' which is requested elsewhere...
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07-12-2009 09:07 AM
Human being with feelings
 
An option for this could be a right-click menu on the mute to fully disable/archive track.
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07-12-2009 10:18 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by semiquaver
you can mute, unload fx, offline and lock media and minimize track now.
only thing missing it seems to me is 'lock track height' which is requested elsewhere...
I don't want to mute the track becouse it will be unmuted when you use the very usefull 'unmute all' action.
Mercado_negro proposes 'mute all track items' and 'hide track' across 5 chained actions.
Seems to be functional for me all the chain until hide track which is not usefull for me.
The only thing i lose now comparing with other DAW is the visual feedback you get with disabled/archived tracks, that normally appear like grayed and blocked tracks.
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07-12-2009 11:18 AM
Moderator
 
I've provided some "workarounds" in Reaper Forums as you know now but I think this FR could be solved by adding Locking Options for Tracks. If we had a way to lock all or some of the tracks features we could easily achieve an accurate way to "Disable tracks".

Maybe we could have some options in tracks' context menu:

*Lock mute button (it keeps current state of mute)
*Lock solo button (it keeps current state of solo)
*Lock record arm button (it disables recording)
*Lock volume fader
*Lock pan
*Lock phase swtich (it keeps current state of phase)
*Lock FX button (it blocks FX's from insert/remove/(un)bypass/online/offline keeping current state)
*Lock envelopes (it locks in time all envelopes and their points as well as modes, keeping current state)
*Lock inputs/outputs/sends/receives (they can't be sent or receive from other tracks)
*Lock label (it blocks single or doubleclick to change tracks' names)
*Lock record options (Monitor input, Monitor input (auto tape style), monitor track media when recording, etc., are blocked and keep their current state)
*Lock ALL

With these options in context menu and their proper actions we could be able to completely or partially disable a track.

EDIT: Of course this means more work for themers because buttons should have a new icon for Locked state so users can tell which one of them are disabled.
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07-12-2009 11:48 AM
Human being with feelings
 
also "lock height" please

great idea.
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07-12-2009 11:50 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Locking can be indicated as semi-transparent? (so no need for new icons)

Merc, I skimmed through your workarounds and they involve setting up macros and relying on extensions. I appreciate the effort but as always, I prefer the native/simple/direct implementation wherever possible. Because some users (me) are stupid and we need some love too.

The original FR is as simple and as effective as it gets.
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07-12-2009 01:09 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Nice going Mercado.

On a side note, Protools has done this for 10 years, calling it 'De/Activate Selected Track(s)'. This was of course in the days of DAWs when resources were expensive, but we still do that today.

So once we've locked down what we wish should happen to a track, shouldn't that be brought to Reaper by the developers as a "De/Activate selected track(s)" function ?

After all, who'd want to hunt down the information for such an enormous macro ? Most people would just assume that function doesn't exist, and thus simply mute the track, and do all kinds of other laberous work, assuming quite correctly that nobody was smart enough to build in a simple function for the convenience of all users.

This is no specialist function.
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07-12-2009 09:56 PM
Human being with feelings
 
i've been running into this problem for a while now. typically what i do is save my song as a new name and remove the old tracks out of the project entirely. if i need the old tracks again (to run fx on them or something) i have to go back and splice in the tracks from the previous project file. this feels really clunky, it'd be nice to have an attic i could stash tracks in without losing them from the project file altogether.
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07-13-2009 12:48 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Btw, this is also what Bins can be for.

Management for everything, and in this case it's tracks and their content. Just imagine saving a Bin file that contains all your tracks you wish to keep for future use.

No need to keep an extra session around, but a small database file with all kinds of contents.
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08-27-2009 09:15 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Duplicate and some interesting additional ideas for this great FR:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1073

Thanks,
Mario
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