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issueid=549 07-13-2009 04:12 AM
Human being with feelings
Theme- main bars background even/odd (this is really good for your eyes...)!
Theme color - main bars can be separate by two colors!

Add below the
Track background (odd tracks)
Track background (even tracks)

ADD THIS:

Main bar background (odd main bars)
Main bar background (even main bars)

I find this very useful for focusing.

as you can see in the picture:
FLstudio
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Reaper

[img]http://img193.**************/img193/415/mainbarsseparatebycolor.png[/img]
Issue Details
Issue Type Elevated FR
Project Deprecated REAPER issue tracker
Category GUI and graphics
Status Popular Request
Priority 4
Suggested Version 3.05
Implemented Version (none)
Users who would use this feature 123
Users who would not use this feature 5
Assigned Users (none)
Tags (none)

07-13-2009 04:34 AM
Human being with feelings
 
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07-13-2009 04:42 AM
-blšnk-
 
I find the idea useful, but not the way you suppose to implement it. Unlike FL Reaper has seperate colors for odd/even tracks, so that would mean 4 additional entries:

- Main bar background (odd main bars, odd track numbers)
- Main bar background (even main bars, odd track numbers)
- Main bar background (odd main bars, even track numbers)
- Main bar background (even main bars, even track numbers)

I somehow don't like that. At the expense of total customization I would rather go with something like:

- Brightness offset on even bar counts

Which would simply apply this offset to the colors you choose for odd/even tracks.

Additional thought: Seeing your pic, FL seems to adjust color alternation depending on the horizontal zoom level. So strictly speaking this is not a coloring of odd/even bars at all, but groups (in your pic) of 4 bars with one color and the next 4 bars with the other color.
I assume this grouping changes according to the zoom level, so there is always a reasonable spaced color alternation.

How does this work with time signature changes?
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07-13-2009 05:23 AM
Human being with feelings
 
How about (to start with?) a Preference to use either alternate track colours or alternate 4-bar-duration colours?

As in:
[img]http://img32.**************/img32/1333/r305dstracks05.png[/img]

And it's always every 4-bars, regardless of time signature changes.
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07-13-2009 05:32 AM
Human being with feelings
 
What Darkstar says makes a lot sense to me.
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07-13-2009 05:45 AM
Human being with feelings
 
For drum editing, it is best imo to have every other bar be a diff color.
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07-13-2009 05:50 AM
Human being with feelings
 
True. Maybe making the distance of color change user selectable.
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07-13-2009 05:53 AM
-blšnk-
 
DarkStar, that's smart :) I like the way you smuggled in horizontal track divider lines (http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=65) seemlessly into your mockup.

EDIT: But I agree that 4 bar groups are not always the optimum. I'd prefer a zoom dependent automatic adjust by far.
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07-13-2009 05:55 AM
Human being with feelings
 
If we can optionally have horizontal grid lines (separating each track)... then, alternate bar shading makes a lot of sense. Like in DarkStar's mockup. I don't get the meaning of a fixed 4-bar shading, but this can be user customizable and all is well.

There is a (different but) related FR that complements this one very well:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=169
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07-13-2009 06:31 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
I like the way [DarkStar] smuggled in horizontal track divider lines (http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=65)...
:-D

I'd really like to see vertical alternating background colours, too. Personally I'd like it configurable to: musical measure, or any other amount of time that the timeline can display. I'd have it as a constant at any zoom level at present.

(Though it might be good to have an option at some point to make it jump to different measure-lengths at different zoom levels. Imagine a config table like this: zoom level 1=4 bars; zoom level 2=4 bars; zoom level 3=4 bars; zoom level 4=2 bars; zoom level 5=2 bars; zoom level 6=1 bar; etc.)
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07-13-2009 06:38 AM
Human being with feelings
 
I did say "to start with" - so that the good guys would implement it :).

There's some good follow-on ideas coming up too.

[Now I'm off to smuggle something else in - a la Long John Silver]
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07-14-2009 06:48 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Good posts everyone

it also work like this in the piano roll.

I will point that out in my piano roll video.
I will show how easy it is to jump between the bars, much more pleasant for your eyes/brain to catch the right spot for the right note :)
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07-14-2009 11:55 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Great idea, using the existing two colours in a different placement scheme !!
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07-14-2009 12:47 PM
Human being with feelings
 
More about the focusing of such a grid system can be found in this thread (+ video):

A VIDEO presentation of a powerful grid system in the piano roll.
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07-14-2009 02:44 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkStar
How about (to start with?) a Preference to use either alternate track colours or alternate 4-bar-duration colours?

As in:
[img]http://img32.**************/img32/1333/r305dstracks05.png[/img]

And it's always every 4-bars, regardless of time signature changes.
I like this, but feel it should change when time signatures change.
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07-14-2009 04:10 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
I like this, but feel it should change when time signatures change.
for automatic adjustable grid you have the grids themself...

The color separation should represent a full "pattern" (patterns-main stages), this help you to know where you stand...usually when you zoom-in in reaper, you don't know where you are...you lose perspective.

The idea of the colors is to give you a logical perspective which the grid lines can't give you.

maybe it is possible to let the user choose between "permanent, automatic" (+ it will allow the user to set size of it in case that he set it to permanent.).

i suggest you to see this:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=39375 VIDEO INCLUDED...(this will give you a great point of view about the whole thing and much more...)
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07-24-2009 05:34 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
I like this, but feel it should change when time signatures change.
Me too.
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07-27-2009 05:38 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
I like this, but feel it should change when time signatures change.
me too :)
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07-27-2009 05:43 AM
Human being with feelings
 
wondering, why no one mentioned that,
but this FR must apply first of all
to the midi editors, as that the place to make beats.
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08-02-2009 02:46 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whatsup
wondering, why no one mentioned that,
but this FR must apply first of all
to the midi editors, as that the place to make beats.
mentioned here..."main request: Octave and Color separation":
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=577
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