New Improved JS Super Arp!

[whatsup]

don't know them
to recognize chords, no, i didn't and don't plan that

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Originally Posted by whatsup

don't know them
to recognize chords, no, i didn't and don't plan that

Well, you know Cubase's (or Ableton's, or Sonar's...XT's...) arp systems ?
These sound somewhat more Piano-like...
and I don't have in mind chord recognition here.

I meant just the standard arp feature of smoothly cycling through notes according to their chromatic location on a keyboard...

The super arp chops the held chords up differently...

If you could introduce one more parameter for the following effect:
Play all held notes consecutively, THEN start transposing, THEN play the held notes at the first transposition interval, THEN the next transposition, THEN play the held notes at the second transposition interval
and so on....

Does anyone really understand what I am on about ??

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

Well, you know Cubase's (or Ableton's, or Sonar's...XT's...) arp systems ?
These sound somewhat more Piano-like...
and I don't have in mind chord recognition here.

I meant just the standard arp feature of smoothly cycling through notes according to their chromatic location on a keyboard...

The super arp chops the held chords up differently...

If you could introduce one more parameter for the following effect:
Play all held notes consecutively, THEN start transposing, THEN play the held notes at the first transposition interval, THEN the next transposition, THEN play the held notes at the second transposition interval
and so on....

Does anyone really understand what I am on about ??

yes i got you
the alt mode does that

[whatsup]

there is a small update
the latch mode can access via right-click on the power button
download on my sig

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Whatsup,
you nailed it.

And I got it finally: Yes, the Alternate button makes the arp do what all these great arps can do...

Now I even got the arp to work on realtime MIDI keyboard input...
A WONDERFUL ARPEGGIATOR AT LAST !

Wow.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Whatsup, what do you think:

How difficult would it be to implement various other Styles/modes of sorting the incoming notes ? I fondly recall all these many styles in Ableton's arp...this arp has about 15 styles... Diverging, converging, and whatnot...

But you will probably tell me that the complex possiblities in your own arp, when combined, make for many interesting and varied arpeggiator scenarios.
(And you are right.)

You may understand me and my piercing questions better when I say that I am just starting to learn Reaper and have by now merely partly understood your gorgeous arpeggiator...

[zappadave]

Getting file not found on the GUI version.
Like to try the latch feature.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Hey.
I just did something nutty with Whatsup's arp...
I put it in an FX chain with the (also) excellent and freeware "ARP4MIDI" arpeggiator. (Google should help you in finding arp4MIDI).

It is absolute arp overkill anyway, but I, for one, like it.

Btw: My Ableton would not play the arp4MIDI VST plugin.
Reaper does it.

What does that tell us ?

[zappadave]

Try putting several of Whatsup arps in series with each other, or in parallel.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

I do understand how to create a serial dual arp, but how do I do the parallel version ?
Perhaps by utilizing Reaper's track routing matrix ?

[zappadave]

Add another track and route the midi to the new track, click the io button and add a receive from the 1st track. Then you can have two (or add more) parallel arp chains.
You can do some crazy stuff with this.

[zappadave]

I haven't tried arp4midi for a while as problems with synth edit plugs have only just been fixed. I use Wusik arp a bit and the Sanford Arp, both are good and a bit more traditional than Whatsup's, but Whatsup's goes a bit further.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Originally Posted by zappadave

I haven't tried arp4midi for a while as problems with synth edit plugs have only just been fixed. I use Wusik arp a bit and the Sanford Arp, both are good and a bit more traditional than Whatsup's, but Whatsup's goes a bit further.

Arp4MIDI seems to work well now in Rpr (but not in Ableton Live).

Here's a short MP3 Demo of the combination of Arp4MIDI in series with Whatsup's Super Arp:
http://www.sonicdawn.de/Sonicdawn_-_...peggiation.mp3

Please give me feedback how you find such arps...thanks...

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

Whatsup, what do you think:

How difficult would it be to implement various other Styles/modes of sorting the incoming notes ? I fondly recall all these many styles in Ableton's arp...this arp has about 15 styles... Diverging, converging, and whatnot...

But you will probably tell me that the complex possiblities in your own arp, when combined, make for many interesting and varied arpeggiator scenarios.
(And you are right.)

yes you are right, in my arp you do all that by the variant grid.

BTW: working on improve the main transpose mode, so it can do what yo wanted in the begining, without using the variants.
(the drawing part is the dificult part for me, but it'll be done.)

[zappadave]

Wusik arp
http://www.wusik.com/w/wvm.html
Sanford arp
http://www.lesliesanford.com/SanfordArpeggiator.shtml
You can try Gersic.com for arps.

But don't forget, Whatsup's arp is one of the best arps you will find, freeware or payware.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by zappadave

Getting file not found on the GUI version.
Like to try the latch feature.

yes, because i'm working on it. stay tune.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by zappadave

Add another track and route the midi to the new track, click the io button and add a receive from the 1st track. Then you can have two (or add more) parallel arp chains.
You can do some crazy stuff with this.

you can also put all of them in one chain, and then you need my other plug,
midi_tool, to route and pass through source midi channel,
this will split the source channel to 2,
and then choose on each arp different midi channel,
the same for the next fx in the chain.

[whatsup]

i uploaded new version
with improved transpose feature
please let me know if everything's ok.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

I appreciate your hard work, Whatsup and Argee,
giving us such a great MIDI tool as your Super Arp. The new GUI looks promising.

The newest version doesn't work here, though (the one I downloaded this morning).
Neither can I create intervals (the Matrix is greyed out), nor does it process MIDI notes.

The previous version runs fine here.

Please help. Can't wait to try the improved "transpose function".

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

The previous version runs fine here.

that's probably the problem
the previous version can not fine, because they use different images
so please, backup all your versions include the images,
then delete all of them (you don't have to backup before, though)

and then, download again from my sig, and extract.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

So I did that.
Sorry for the confusion: It seems to work now...

[Mr. Data]

Did I miss something?

Couldn't find this thingy under the link in the OP (https://stash.reaper.fm/v/3993/SuperArpGUI.zip),

but at https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4033/SuperArpGUI.zip.

EDIT: Oh, I see, I missed something - as usually.
But as sigs don't change all the time, I'm not looking there that often.




-Data

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Is the "speed" parameter in the "rate/bpm" section not more precisely to be called an "interval" ?

[whatsup]

don't understand you exactly so i explain the transpose
in the middle line of the bpm section
there are 2 boxes
left - transpose the base note, very simple transpose
right - is the transpose amount, means, how mach the transpose speed
increases, for example, if the transpose speed is 2 and the amount is 4
you will get 2 + 2 + 2 + 2
on each note

buttom line
repeat - each transpose state can be repeated with no transpose
so if for example:
amount = 4
speed = 2
repeat = 3
you will get 2,2,2 + 2,2,2 + 2,2,2 + 2,2,2
for each note

hope you understand now.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

Is the "speed" parameter in the "rate/bpm" section not more precisely to be called an "interval" ?

oh now i get, you suggest something
maybe, but for the consistent , i call them all with one definition.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

One observation :
When I hold a chord (manually, with Latch Off) in the Super Arp and Reaper host is set to "Repeat On" (Looping On), then it can happen upon completing a loop cycle (when the play cursor jumps back to the beginning of the loop) that Super Arp loses a note of the chord I am holding down.

The question is, is Reaper or your Arp to be blamed for this ?

Settings at which I observed that:
Pattern Length =0, that is, only the BPM section transpose is active...
Chord held: "CDE" (3 notes).

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

One observation :
When I hold a chord (manually, with Latch Off) in the Super Arp and Reaper host is set to "Repeat On" (Looping On), then it can happen upon completing a loop cycle (when the play cursor jumps back to the beginning of the loop) that Super Arp loses a note of the chord I am holding down.

The question is, is Reaper or your Arp to be blamed for this ?

Settings at which I observed that:
Pattern Length =0, that is, only the BPM section transpose is active...
Chord held: "CDE" (3 notes).

didn't lose any note while playing a loop
and at the same time, pressing a chord on the VKB.

[UnderwaterSunlight]

It doesn't happen at every loop jump, only sometimes.
And I mean MIDI keyboard input, not the Virtual Keyboard.

One word about your work:
I greatly value your determination in giving us the best possible arp. Thanks sincerely, Whatsup (and Argee).

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Tested some more:
The phenomenon observed here seems to be related to what notes are present immediately BEFORE the loop starts. Because if I allow for some empty space before the loop brace, said behavior does not appear.

So I hope your arp works well as it is now...

Will make some music with it and see how everything fits into a larger perspective...

[UnderwaterSunlight]

Let me emphasize: Super Arp is an excellent MIDI tool/FX.

Works well as I have been testing it for quite some minutes now.

I am an arp geek (and a MIDI nerd by extension), as you probably can tell by now...

Complex...uhm ... No... rather, ULTRA Complex Arps are possible in Reaper with JS arp and external arp VST's like "arp4midi".

Or, I should say, I am in 7th arp heaven right now. That is one thing I don't miss any more from Ableton Live: Live's quite good nestable arp building brick.
Reaper rocks MIDI-wise some more than Ableton, which can be praised for its loop based session view perhaps... but I composed a tremendous title using Reaper's timeline based approach. And this piece has only MIDI tracks, no audio.
CPU consumption was next to nothing on my i7 DAW with 13 track full of Reaktor VST instances...

[EvilDragon]

whatsup, I tried the new version Noticings:

1. Please use white color for "MIDI Ch." text, and the same font for all the text on the GUI.
2. Same goes for "Latch".
3. I'm now confused with the whole BPM Transpose section. How can I make a simple 3-octave up&down arpeggio? I'm having a hard time figuring it out. I want, for example, to hold C major chord and get:

c1 e1 g1 c2 e2 g2 c3 e3 g3 e3 c3 g2 e2 c2 g1 e1

I can't get it in any way.

4. "Speed" should really be called "Interval". EVERYWHERE!

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

How can I make a simple 3-octave up&down arpeggio? I'm having a hard time figuring it out. I want, for example, to hold C major chord and get:

c1 e1 g1 c2 e2 g2 c3 e3 g3 e3 c3 g2 e2 c2 g1 e1

variant = 0
note transpose section
middle line:
left button (base transpose) = 0
right burtton (amount) = 3
buttom line:
repeat = 0
speed = 12

mode = sticky

EDIT: the exact sequence you asked cannot be done with the transpose
(or it just a little typing mistake of you)
but with the variant grid you can.

with the transpose you can get this sequence with a little different:

up
c1 e1 g1 c2 e2 g2 c3 e3 g3
down sticky
g3 e3 c3 g2 e2 c2 g1 e1 c1
or
down bounce
g2 e2 c2 g1 e1 c1

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by UnderwaterSunlight

Let me emphasize: Super Arp is an excellent MIDI tool/FX.

Works well as I have been testing it for quite some minutes now.

I am an arp geek (and a MIDI nerd by extension), as you probably can tell by now...

Complex...uhm ... No... rather, ULTRA Complex Arps are possible in Reaper with JS arp and external arp VST's like "arp4midi".

Or, I should say, I am in 7th arp heaven right now. That is one thing I don't miss any more from Ableton Live: Live's quite good nestable arp building brick.
Reaper rocks MIDI-wise some more than Ableton, which can be praised for its loop based session view perhaps... but I composed a tremendous title using Reaper's timeline based approach. And this piece has only MIDI tracks, no audio.
CPU consumption was next to nothing on my i7 DAW with 13 track full of Reaktor VST instances...

thank you underwater
first of all i'm glad you enjoy it
second, one of the reasons i wrote this
is not to miss others DAWs arps in REAPER

btw, did you notice you have there velocity,pan effects

[EvilDragon]

Originally Posted by whatsup

EDIT: the exact sequence you asked cannot be done with the transpose
(or it just a little typing mistake of you)
but with the variant grid you can.

No, it's not a typing mistake, it's what I want, and what even the most rudimentary arpeggiators can do

Variants are ok, but it's what I tried to avoid using, if it can be done better.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

No, it's not a typing mistake, it's what I want, and what even the most rudimentary arpeggiators can do

Variants are ok, but it's what I tried to avoid using, if it can be done better.

you typed

something like that

let say the chord is a b c

that's what you wrote (in the middle of the seqeunce)

a3 b3 c3 b3 a3

but this is a chord
so when it goes down
all notes goes down,
so it looks like that

a3 b3 c3 c3 b3 a3

or

a3 b3 c3 c2 b2 a2

but you can't cut the chord (delete one note, as you did)

the arp i checked, does the same as i described.

[EvilDragon]

It's simple - going up 3 octaves then going down 3 octaves. Like a piano player would sweep it. There's no error there. And other arpeggiators can do that.

Yeah, I forgot to write c1 at the end. But that was implied, since the arpeggiator repeats itself, right? And it was not supposed to be "sticky" mode, so the top note doesn't repeat. So the pattern is:

c1 e1 g1 c2 e2 g2 c3 e3 g3 e3 c3 g2 e2 c2 g1 e1 c1

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

It's simple - going up 3 octaves then going down 3 octaves. Like a piano player would sweep it. There's no error there. And other arpeggiators can do that.

Yeah, I forgot to write c1 at the end. But that was implied, since the arpeggiator repeats itself, right? And it was not supposed to be "sticky" mode, so the top note doesn't repeat. So the pattern is:

c1 e1 g1 c2 e2 g2 c3 e3 g3 e3 c3 g2 e2 c2 g1 e1 c1

sorry, it's my fault.
i did it different way.

to get what you want, (as in FLS) i'll have to add modes,
at the meantime you can use the grid.
it's very easy i think

[EvilDragon]

Yeah, it is, but I expected this behaviour from Up-Down bounce mode with 3 octave range.

And please consider renaming Speed to Interval, it really makes much more sense.

[whatsup]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Yeah, it is, but I expected this behaviour from Up-Down bounce mode with 3 octave range.

And please consider renaming Speed to Interval, it really makes much more sense.

the up-down can be done in atleast 2 ways (that i can think of now)
the up state, as you think

the down can be done:

the notes goes up , and only the transpose goes down (which is the current behaviour)
or
the notes played in reverse (=down) when the transpose in reverse state.

[Mr. Data]

Hey Whatsup and Argee!

Great work you did there!

Regrettably I haven't got the time right now to check it out fully, but the first impression by scratching (or to be more precise: tickling) the surface is awesome.

Thanks a lot!




-Data